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AlanfromBigEasy on November 25, 2007 - 11:36am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Congratulations to Jeffrey Brown ! WELL DONE !

Best Hopes for Persistence,

Alan

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westexas on November 25, 2007 - 12:41pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

This was one of two MSM print interviews I did in the past couple of weeks. We will see what happens with the other one.

In any case, I think that Rod Dreher did a very good job. He really didn't pull any punches. It's one of the hardest hitting MSM articles I have seen on Peak OIl.

BTW, Rod was the one who asked me to write the "Yes, we have peaked" side of a Peak Oil debate for the Dallas Morning News, which was published in June, 2006 (with contributions from Alan Drake and Bart from the EB): http://www.energybulletin.net/17009.html

I have to admit that, to some extent, the "Iron Triangle" is beginning to crack, although I assume that the cornucopian articles still vastly outnumber the Peak Oil acceptance articles.

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paal myrtvedt on November 25, 2007 - 7:51pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Thank you and congrats Mr Browne for putting reality up against the wall in a fairly balanced manner!

One thing that annoys me is that the MSM consequently still is referring to Hubberts peak as “a theory” …(!!)
That was fairly ok some decades ago, but NO more. Because when people read/hear about theories they tend to respond more ignorant … “so what if”… “then what ?” … you know. Next time you should make an emphasis that PO is NOT A THEORY – it is reality, the question is ONLY when …. And so forth. 

One more thing, if memory serves, the IEA actually downscaled the 2030 production forecast in a very flexible manner – saying it probably will hover in the range of between 102.3 mb/d and 116 mb/d that is significant (!)

I believe IEA is spotting the text on the wall, next year IMO they will flirt with “90 mb/d”. It would look too stupid from their side to just jump from 130 mb/d to 87 mb/d … in the space of only 2 – 3 years ;-)

Obviously if PO is round about now – the 2030 numbers will be something completely different from any number we can guesstimate about … and that includes IEA, EIA and others …. CERA , will they still be around in 2030 ?

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jrwakefield on November 26, 2007 - 12:34am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

One thing that annoys me is that the MSM consequently still is referring to Hubberts peak as “a theory” …(!!)
That was fairly ok some decades ago, but NO more. Because when people read/hear about theories they tend to respond more ignorant … “so what if”… “then what ?” … you know. Next time you should make an emphasis that PO is NOT A THEORY – it is reality, the question is ONLY when …. And so forth.

I was going to reply to this. That Hubbert's theory is that, a scientific theory. There are bits of data that support the theory and predictions that are now coming true, but just like evolutionary theory with its facts, Oil Depletion is a theory in how it describes what is going on, and how oil fields generally follow a profile. But since no one believes anything I say any more, that I'm deluded by others, then I won't bother...

Richard Wakefield

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WNC Observer on November 26, 2007 - 11:22am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Gravity is also "just a theory", but I wouldn't advise jumping off of something tall without a parachute to test it.

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