Always be skeptical of the numbers and try and do the math for yourself as a check ... you don't have to be totally accurate, just get a feel for it ... my approximation is:

a US gallon Gasoline = 115,000 Btu
1000 Btu = 0.293 kWh
therefore a US gallon = 115 x 0.293 kWh = 33 kwh

Assume, at best, in an 8 hour working day you could get 100w continuous useful work from a man, ~0.8 kWh?

As a check, a normal man should consume ~ 2,500 kilocalories per day? (1 kilowatt hour = 859.6 kilocalories, so about a third converted to useful work seems reasonable?)

Therefore a US gallon contains the same amount of useful energy as 33/0.8 = 41 days or ~330 hours of human (slave?) labor!

In a barrel there would be 42 x 330 ~ 13,800 hours of manual labor.

thanks
your calculations indicate that there is no precise answer for this question - but we're in the ballpark.
13,800 hours of manual labor at $20 per hour is $267,600 per barrel.

And I could make the argument (strongly) that the energy quality of oil is higher than human labor...;)

Crude at $97.75 today a bargain!!!!

BTW Nate, IMO this was an excellent/important post - my understanding of how the world all hangs together and the 'underlying truths' took another leap forward with this. When will the whole book be published?

Thanks. I'm not sure. Certainly this year, but can't say when. Here is draft table of contents:

RENEWABLE ENERGY SYSTEMS:
ENVIRONMENTAL AND ENERGETIC ISSUES

Authors and Titles of Chapters

1) David Pimentel, College of Agriculture, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York: RENEWABLE ENERGY SYSTEMS; BENEFITS AND ENVIRONMENTAL COSTS
2) Tad Patzek, College of Engineering, University of California (Berkeley): CAN THE EARTH DELIVER THE BIOMASS-FOR-FUEL WE DEMAND?
3) David Swenson, Department of Economics, Iowa State University: A REVIEW OF THE ECONOMIC RISKS AND REWARDS OF ETHANOL PRODUCTION
4) Doug Koplow, Earth Track, Inc., Cambridge, MA and Ronald Steenblik, Research Director, Global Subsidies Initiative International Institute for Sustainable Development, Geneva: SUBSIDIES FOR ETHANOL PRODUCTION IN THE UNITED STATES
5) Charles Hall, Department of Environmental and Forest Biology, College of Forestry and Environmental Science, State University of New York, Syracuse, NY: PEAK OIL, EROI, INVESTMENTS AND THE ECONOMY IN AN UNCERTAIN FUTURE
6) Andrew Ferguson, Optimum Population Trust, Manchester, England: WIND POWER: BENEFITS AND LIMITATIONS
7) Robert Rapier, Conoco-Phillips, Aberdeen, Scotland: RENEWABLE DIESEL
8) Mario Giampietro, International Nutrition Institute, Rome, Italy, K. Mayumi, Tokushima University, Japan: COMPLEX SYSTEM THINKING IN RENEWABLE ENERGY SYSTEMS
9) Marcelo E. Dias de Oliveira, The Brazilian Alcohol Programme, Brazil: SUGARCANE AND ETHANOL PRODUCTION AND CARBON DIOXIDE BALANCES
10) Tom Gangwer: BIOMASS FUEL CYCLE BOUNDARIES: CURRENT PRACTICE AND PROPOSED METHODOLOGY
11) Edwin Kessler, Department of Meteorology, University of Oklahoma, Norman: OUR FOOD AND FUEL FUTURE
12) Nathan Hagens, University of Vermont, Burlington, VT, Kenneth Mulder, Green Mountain college: A FRAMEWORK FOR ANALYZING ALTERNATIVE ENERGY: NET ENERGY, LIEBIGS LAW AND MULTICRITERIA ANALYSIS
13) Robert M. Boddey, Embrapa-Agrobiologia, Rio de Janeiro, BR: ETHANOL PRODUCTION IN BRAZIL
14) Roger Samson, Resource Efficient Agricultural Production Canada (REAP-Canada): CELLULOSICS FOR THERMAL ENERGY
15) Maurizio Paoletti, Department of Biology, University of Padova, Italy, Tiziano Gomiero, (please provide affiliation and location): ORGANIC AGRICULTURE AND ENERGY CONSERVATION
16) Sergio Ulgiati, Department of Chemistry, Sienna University, Italy: BIODIESEL PRODUCTION IN ITALY: BENEFITS AND COSTS
17) Kenan Unlu, Pennsylvania State University, University Park, PA: CURRENT RESEARCH ON NUCLEAR ENERGY

And I could make the argument (strongly) that the energy quality of oil is higher than human labor...;)

I think you mean that the thinking of human beings is often of a thicker quality than crude...;)

While interesting as a fun comparison it is just that attitude of looking at energy as a be all and end all that has got us where we are. Trade me one willing worker (for his lifetime) for a D9 cat (and all the diesel it can use in it's lifetime) and look at the different world you and I will produce.

"One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men. No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man." -- Elbert Hubbard

Unfortunately we have way too many ordinary men and their machines doing things we do not need and not enough extraordinary people doing without machines what needs doing.

"Ordinary men are made not born." -- anon ;)

Some men are born mediocre and some men have mediocracy foisted upon them.

Some men don't count and some men can't count ... 2 7? 3 4

(Just in jest robert2734, merely to see if this thread of nit wittery will continue:)

I had always heard about 75W output on a fairly continuous basis for a fairly fit person, but wouldn't be surprised if in reality it is more like 50W when average fitness is considered and the work is stretched over 8 hours, day after day, month after month...etc. So the 25,000 hour figure not off the mark either perhaps, though I don't know enough to argue about it.

True, but also I forgot that to get the energy out of the oil you need something like a power station with all it's losses - so, maybe there's only ~17Kwh of useful energy in the oil as well as less useful energy in the man?

Arm output cranking was some 50-80 watts for myself.

Legs 400 watts. (no shoe clips)

Lance Armstrong was known to do 600 watts for 30 mins peddling.

The numbers I have are a gallon of crude is about 138,000 BTU, and a gallon of gasoline is about 125,000 BTU. The standard figure for boe is given as 5.8 million BTU.

Using these numbers, I get about 16,600 hours. 100W is perhaps a little high for sustained effort, usual figure is 0.1 HP, about 75W. This gives nearer 23,000 hours manual labor.

33 kwh is gross chemical potential energy, but given that we are mostly concerned about mechanical uses for oil should we not be doing somthing like this?:

first subtract 10% for energy cost of the oil production i.e. assume that EROEI on oil is about 10:1 right now, that gives us 29.7 kwh / gal

then assume 2/3 will be lost when converting it to mechanical by running an engine connected to a machine, so we then have 9.89 kwh / gal

So a gallon is more like 9.89 / 0.8 * 8 = 98.91 person hours of labor.

X 42 = 4,153 hours of manual labor per bbl (that would be 1 person year at 6 days a week 13 1/4 hours a day, which sounds like a rough number estimate for a third world sweatshop).

Lets assume we can hire manual labor "somewhere" for 20 cents an hour (1/3 of the worlds population earns less than $2 per day according to the UN) then the manual labor substitution cost of the bbl becomes something like $830 per bbl.

Is this the valid measure? This talk of "slave labor equivalents"? Consider: If there is a half-ton rock, I might require ten slaves to move it (figuring each slave capable of lifting 100 lbs.). But I have technology: a long lever, a wheeled cart. Now, instead of ten slaves, I can move the rock myself (given certain assumptions such as a fulcrum for the lever and cart-friendly terrain - but those assumptions aren't unreasonable for a broad range of situations). Nor do I need to eat ten times my normal meals for the day to have energy for the lever and cart.

Since much of our technology is of the lever or cart type, rather than the brute strength type, this whole "slave equivalence" metaphor is severely misleading. It makes for a nice rhetorical flourish, but misrepresents our reality. It treats machines as primarily energy-consumers, whereas they achieve their primary value via design - as levers and carts do - with energy inputs being a real but secondary, and not tightly-correlated part of any equation accurately describing their place in our economy.

Technology is "raw power" harnessed. I don't think for a moment that the energy slaves describe a pointless task of dragging a rock for example.

It might describe the ability to type and click send and the electricity and embodied energy in the internet allows you to instantly send a message without having to find paper, ink, envelope, postage, pony express, ship, plane,rail and other means for physical communication.

Also consider a robotic car manufacturing plant, very high energy consumption, definitely highly technical, precise operations being performed more of our energy slaves 24 hrs 7 days a week.

Computer chip manufacturers and countless other industrial processes that are highly energy intensive currently built around our cheap oil lifestyle.

My contention is that in reality we are in fact via technology using the equivalent of levers, fulcrum and cart friendly terrain all the time this only magnifies our dependence.

Comparing oil to manual labour may provide a sense of scale to the energy in a barrel of oil but it ignores the sheer versatility of oil.

No matter how many human labourers I have, I will never be able to get them to move me along at 60 miles per hour without ever complaining or getting tired.

Human labour can't be converted into lubricants, chemicals, medicines, ashphalt, plastics etc., etc.

What a miracle oil is ? $ 100 a barrel is a bargain.

$ 100 a barrel is a bargain.

So? Doesn't mean much when how people are used to living is with $10 oil.

The transition to higher oil pricing means pain - and animals in pain and who feel cornered are dangerous

From "Food, Energy, and Society" by Pimentel, pg. 13. Gasoline is 20% efficient in converting to work in a mechanical engine, 8.8 kWh. A horse working for ten hours at maximum capacity yields 7.5 kWh. Man can work at 0.1 HP or 0.075 kW per hour. 117 hours of Man work done by 1 gallon.

See http://greatchange.org/bb-answer2.html for a tentative resolution of $146.00 as the value of gasoline per gallon, considering the energy cost of machinery and the need to do more work as value than what simply pays for the fuel.

If we are considering the efficiency of the ICE, do we also need to consider the efficiency of the human?

Is the 75W of the man expended power or effective power? And what efficiency does the human work at?