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The important piece is conventional oil, which still peaked. If we discount the NGL by energy content and subtract 2/3 of the tar sands (which is reprocessed NG) then we are far past peak. Personally, I would like to see the NG and Coal derived fuels taken out, because they need a different analysis to predict peak. There is no simple math model that is going to include the US corn crop size in it's all liquids prediction.....
Agree. The input discovery profile is much more accurate for conventional crude due to periodic backdating. The problem with non-conventional oil is that the discovery inputs come from other sources, e.g. NG fields, which have never been factored into an equivalent backdated discovery profile. Certainly the conventional crude has hit a peak already.
Whatever ounce of reserve growth there might be I added to the Dispersive Discovery model and came up with this:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3287
Which takes it to the current date. Not allowing any reserve growth or an extrapolated discovery profile tail puts the peak back at 2004/2005. I think the key is in unknown discoveries and having a good model to predict the decay.
The optimistic view is to use the BP Discovery data which uses a BOE (Barrel of Oil Equivalent) discovery dataset, which must take into account the NG fields, etc. This can push the peak to 2010.
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2712
Deduct bio fuels and processing gains as well.
The Dec 2007 peak is a biofuels, processing gains and OPEC NGLs peak.
We have:
July 2006:
Total liquids: 86.13
biofuels .15
processing gains 1.88
OPEC NGLs 4.73
Subtotal oil 79.37
December 2007:
Total liquids: 86.95
biofuels .46
processing gains 2.11
OPEC NGLs 4.89
Subtotal oil 79.49
So the base oil production for these 2 months is only 120 kb/d apart. That's within the accuracy of statistics. We are kidding ourselves if we think that was a lift off from the plateau. The difference to the July 2006 peak is that we have now higher production for 3 months, while the 2006 peak was a one-off month only. However, there where 4 months in 2007 with much lower production, so part of the Oct-Dec peaks was a compensation for that.
And by the way, the November figure was revised downwards from 86.55 (reported in December 2007) to 86.08. So let's see how the December data will change in the next 2 months.
What we see here also are desperate attempts to add whatever can be added to hide the peak and confuse us. What next? Re-processed cooking oil? It's coming:
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3531#comment-295916
And let's not be surprised to see not only December reported levels taken down a notch, but November again as well.
If re-processed cooking oil begins to be used in significant quantities then I hope it is included. This distinction between "crude oil" and other liquids is lost on me. If "other liquids" can be used in place of crude then by all means include them in the reporting. Forget the "energy cost to produce" disclaimers. Do we distinguish crude pumped from deep sea wells as compared to easily obtained land based crude? No. It's all crude that gets used for transportation, just as the "other liquids" are. It's all the same to me. But then I'm not invested in "being right" on some prediction I made. The Peak is coming. It might already be here or it might not. But it's coming. If we get more production of "other liquids" be it cooking oil or anything else, I see that as good news. More time to prepare for the post peak world and to pour money into eneregy services stocks at these low levels.
In the peak oil camp we have two competing arguments:
1. Pessimistic geological inevitability states that the peak will happen and there is nothing we can do about it. Declines are inevitable and will happen soon. The Geological inevitability argument favors a pure peak model focusing on 'easy oil' or 'crude + condensate.'
2. Optimistic economic market adaptability states that high prices will cause a wealth of new supply we never saw before inevitably delaying the peak to some remote future date. The economic marketers will, likely focus on 'all liquids.'
In my opinion, both views are valid. The geologic side points to old supply and its inevitable decline, the economic side points to increasing incentives to bring new supply online with each jump in price.
I think that's what we're seeing now. On the conventional crude side, former shut in capacity is opened as the high price makes it economical again. Furthermore, previously unconventional crude such as heavy oil is being added to the mix as the world demands for any oil of any kind. So in conventional crude, the decline is mitigated by innovation in pursuit of profit.
Also, on the unconventional side, the same thing is happening. Tar sands, oil shales or oil from shale basins, biodiesel, recycled cooking oil, ethanol, gas to liquids, and coal to liquids are all doing their best to come to market and make a profit.
Peak market inevitablists state that all these new liquids don't have a good EROI and more energy goes into them than ends up coming out. They claim that this will hasten the peak by resulting in rapidly crashing economic systems as the high EROI model puts a breaking strain on the world economy. In my opinion, the inevitablists are, for the most part, wrong. Long term, unmatched EROI does result in crashing systems. But the new fuels don't have negative EROI, just a worse EROI than conventional oil. But with the high EROI priced into the market, the new fuels become viable. So the adjustment results in economic slowdown as opposed to crash -- at least for the time being.
Now I'd like to make some observations given this new paradigm that's slowly coming to fore:
1. Biofuels adds a viable new fuel and feedstock for the market. Biofuels may not be as flexible or as good as oil. But with oil struggling or running out, it makes a worthwhile addition. Furthermore, innovation will push biofuels to improve on a long timescale. Look at biofuels to add around 300,000 barrels per day to world supply on a year on year basis for the forseeable future. With algal biofuels, switch grass other and cellulosic ethanol it may be possible to expand this growth on a year on year basis at a 3-5 year horizon.
2. Unconventional oil will continue to grow so long as the price of oil remains high. Tar sands in Canada will continue to expand. Natural gas needed to produce the sands will be imported or nuclear reactors will be built on site. Canada is too dependent on export of oil sands crude to the US to lose its engine for economic growth. It will make the needed investment. Other unconventional basins in the US, Venezuala, and around the world will also be expanded. Look at unconventional oil to add around 300,000 barrels per day to the world supply on a year on year basis for the next 15-20 years.
3. Conventional oil still has a few cards left to play. The most visible is Iraq. This country is the least developed of the Middle East and, probably, has the most realistic reserves estimates. It is possible that Iraq could add as much as 400,000 barrels per day for each year for the next ten years IF geopolitical conditions in the country allow for further development. Also, continued high prices will push producers to find every drop of supply available. As stated before, previously uneconomic conventional crude will come onstream slowing decline rates as well.
4. High prices will incentivize consumers to conserve fuel either by purchasing less consumptive vehicles and appliances, or by reducing the amount they travel and use energy. It will also create increasing pressure for corporations to make available new technologies that are more efficient and reduce and/or eliminate structural dependence on oil and gas. Hybrid autos, Plug in hybrids, electric autos, smaller cars, more energy efficient light bulbs and the continued increasing viability of wind and solar to meet grid demand and then grid to transportation demand will help to reduce demand growth in fossil fuels and shift demand to other energy sources. Ironically, we are most likely to see these changes first in the United States as that country has the most to lose from structurally high oil prices. In fact, we have seen a flattening in demand in the US over the past two years. It is possible that this will continue despite predictions US demand will increase in 2008. Analysis of consumer behavior already shows a strong consumer bias away from large vehicles (SUVs and other trucks) to smaller more fuel efficient models. New technology may well enhance the ability of US consumers to shift demand away from oil. Also expect these trends to begin to take hold in Asia and around the world as all countries try to answer the problem of high or increasing energy costs.
Pessimists deny the resilience of the world economy. Optimists overstate it. Often it is the pessimist's argument that these mitigating factors will be overwhelmed by the massive structural inertia of peak oil. Optimists state that these factors will, almost magically, facilitate a smooth transition. And therein lies the rub. It is likely that both sides are wrong. In my opinion, there will be a crisis. Optimists will be shocked that peak oil actually happened and put a crimp on global economic growth and impacted geopolitics for decades. Pessimists will likely be shocked that the world didn't end, there wasn't a mass die off, and the world economy did survive in some form -- albeit one radically altered from the one we see today.
In conclusion, it seems the world has reached a plateau in conventional oil resulting in a price shock. The structure has changed to produce all economically viable liquids of any type. This first scramble, in my opinion, will likely push the overall liquids peak date out a couple of years. ASPO is betting on 2010 and this seems a good estimate to me at this time. Despite the peak date likely falling back, I wouldn't bet too much on a price contraction. There is far too much market control by OPEC and far too much likelihood of new demand from Asia to result in much relaxing in price even if there are large quantities of new liquids on the market. I'd expect OPEC to start defending the price of oil at around $80 per barrel. So, regardless, the next two years are still likely to see high prices.
Despite my relative optimism as opposed to the pessimists, I am not a 'magical economy' optimist either. I do think that oil will struggle to make any gains it does in overall liquids. The decline rate and expanded consumption in producing nations will take a serious toll. So I don't expect to see a long term, decisive, rally in supply. More like marginal gains struggling to reach an overall top of around 88-99 million barrels per day in the range of 2010-2020 with best possible cases adding 1mpd per year at a year on year average until finally succumbing to the decline rate.
In my opinion, the 88-90 mbpd top is the most likely scenario putting the peak in the 2009-2010 range. Of course, I could very well be wrong. As this is only an opinion based on a little better than back of the napkin analysis.
Best wishes to all!
Rob
I think that's what we're seeing now. On the conventional crude side, former shut in capacity is opened as the high price makes it economical again. Furthermore, previously unconventional crude such as heavy oil is being added to the mix as the world demands for any oil of any kind. So in conventional crude, the decline is mitigated by innovation in pursuit of profit.
Give me an estimate of the amount of shut in oil to current reserves that would become available if price, say, doubled. This is easy to add to any model to figure out the change it will make to the production profiles. I contend that if it is small in comparison to the reserve growth that already occurs, that it won't make much of a difference.
I agree that it probably won't make a huge difference and that it probably is at the margin when compared to reserve growth. If, for example, in the US it is something on the order of +15,000 - 30,000 bpd per year all it does is bite into the decline rate. But if you slow the decline rate on aggregate across the world it provides more opportunity for unconventional + biofuels to make up the difference. By itself, it is small. When considered on aggregate it contributes. That's all I'm saying.
For my part, I agree that we've likely hit the plateau/peak in conventional oil. So my analysis is based on the viability of new fuels/efficiencies.
Hi Rob,
I guess I have two issues:
1. Is that both Deffeyes and Staniford have shown a very tight correlation between the US oil production and the logistic curve, which leaves no unexplained variation for price. Essentially what determines how much oil will be produced tomorrow is about 98% how much oil was produced last year, last decade, etc (where you are on the curve). This may not be intuitive, but there it is. I don't believe that WHT's model has price as a variable either (unless he changed it recently).
2. All the substitutes that are being proposed are conversions of other energy sources. Meaning if we try to switch to biofuel, we need more natural gas (or coal). But NG in much of the world is also in decline. And coal is nearing peak and will be just as difficult to ramp up. You mention the tar sands, but where will the NG come from to power the process?
Energy and GDP are tightly correlated. 98% in a study I am reading right now. We could easily see a drop of 50% in energy supply over the next 20 years. That would be a 50% drop in GDP. Is that Armageddon? No, it does not have to be. But the political and economic stress is going to push people. Imagine every single person getting a 50% pay cut. We are seeing poor choices from politicians (turn the food into fuel) and poor choices from those impacted (truck drivers blockading refineries). I have to say I am quite worried.
Overall decline in the US did not follow a smooth graph or even a cliff scenario that most refer to here. Yes, we found oil elsewhere (Alaska, offshore) but that oil did contribute to the economy and round out the shocks so they were not as severe. I don't think it's likely we'll find zero significant new oil or even fail to use oil we already know is in place (for example North Slope). Now I know this cannot stop an inevitable peak. But it can buy time and soften the decline.
In a real sense, Hubbert was correct. But the details did not dance perfectly to his prediction. US production slid down a rather gentle slope on the downside.
Not all substitutes are complete conversions of fossil fuel. And though there is a natural gas input into synthetic fertilizer and insecticide feedstocks not all biofuel crops must rely on synthetic fertilizer and insecticides. So, yes, there is an input. But the solar input, for example, is far greater. Ethanol is a net gain and though not as good as oil it is still a net gain.
Canada will have to import LNG for tar sands. No way around it if they use gas plants to heat the bitumen. If there's no NG, they'll build nuke plants in the production basin. Yes, coal and NG will probably peak too. But the timeframes are not quite as close as oil so we have a little wiggle room.
So, yes, world conventional oil will probably go into decline. But I think there are factors both in conventional, unconventional, new tech, and efficiencies that will help slow the fall rate and squeeze more productivity out of each barrel while shifting to other energy sources. I also think it's possible with new projects, Iraq, and others that overall liquids can still grow a bit. As I said before, I don't think it will be much more than 88-90 mbpd.
We must calculate all the NG, oil, and energy used to run equipment used to grow the crops, produce the seeds, the fertilizers, harvest, and make the ethanol production.
This amount of energy must be subtracted from the ethanol produced before we add any figures of ethanol production to any figures of world liquids production.
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If we do not do this, we are double counting the ethanol production figures.
If it takes an equivalent of 70 barrels of oil to make 100 barrels ethanol, we are only adding 30 barrels of liquids to world production, not 100 barrels.
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DocScience
http://www.angelfire.com/in/Gilbert1/tt.html
According to the US Department of Agriculture in a 2004 study, ethanol returns energy at the rate of 1.67:1 over the course of its entire supply chain so the net energy gain, in 2004, was 167% vs energy invested. The USDA study was confirmed by follow-on studies by Argonne National Laboratory and the University of Nebraska among others.
Those against ethanol development often cite studies from the 1970s and 80s that don't take into account modern efficiency gains, technological advancement, and economies of scale for current ethanol production. Energy return on energy invested increased from 1.25:1 in 1995 to 1.67:1 in 2004 according to USDA studies. It is reasonable to assume that with continued scaling, ethanol EROI will continue to increase rapidly until the market matures.
This issue met heated debate in Congress in the period of 2002 - 2005. The debate resolved many issues underlying ethanol and due, in part, to strong gains in EROI a major initiative to increase ethanol production was supported.
Energy return on energy invested increased from 1.25:1 in 1995 to 1.67:1 in 2004 according to USDA studies. It is reasonable to assume that with continued scaling, ethanol EROI will continue to increase rapidly until the market matures.
That's not actually what happened. They changed the way they were accounting for the energy. The 1.67 ratio came from them assigning more of the energy inputs to the co-product credits - just sleight of hand.
First, I just want to say that I think a grid supported transportation system is the most preferable option. So I'm a major supporter of an electric based transportation system and bridge energy systems like hybrids and PHEVs. I see ethanol and other biofuels, which I don't believe will ever be produced in volumes great enough to match current oil production, as part of the solution. At best, I can't see biofuels ever topping more than 10mbpd. But if a high cost fuel can delay the peak a little longer while incentivizing the transition then I'll support it as a practical option.
That said, I want to address your statement directly and I'm not doing it out of any disrespect whatsoever for your research. Just to say it seems strange that you'd attribute this increase to an accounting change. Can you show me, in the report, where they changed the accounting? Otherwise, it's your word against the USDA.
In the interest of fairness, I'm going to post a number of related reports:
http://www.calrenewablefuels.com/pdfs/Energy%20Balance.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/25/business/25ethanolside.html
http://www.carbohydrateeconomy.org/library/admin/uploadedfiles/How_Much_...
Some state the USDA's findings. Others support the debate.
And Robert, I saw your R2 blogs, so you needn't repost them here. I guess I fall in the camp that supports ethanol as a bridge fuel and doesn't agree with the negative EROEI arguments.
So for my part, here is my opinion/analysis:
1. Biofuels help mitigate the peak.
2. Corn ethanol eeks out a net energy return with more positives in sugar cane, and potential cellulosic.
3. All biofuels help lead us away from oil and promote energy independence which is, overall, a good thing.
4. Energy diversity is, in my opinion, the best way to deal with contracting supply. IMO the preference should be on the options that move us away from fossil fuels.
5. The US is strong in agriculture and, long term, can win with biofuels.
6. I think that all sides of the field are likely to have skewed their reports to bias their respective interests. A shame, really.
Biofuels are going to be remembered as a great tragedy. Read Stuart's "Fermenting the Food Supply" and this article:
http://www.earth-policy.org/Updates/2008/Update69.htm
At maximum we could get 10% of our liquid fuels at a cost of billions starved. The energy returns are marginal, so biofuels buy us very little time for a huge capital investment. Far better, cheaper, and more ethical to require more efficient vehicles by law.
The fairest way to state ethanol's EROEI is as follows:
Pimentel and Petzak's original studies used old averages for productivity and inputs. That would be about the equivalent of bringing currently unfarmed marginal land into corn production and old conversion technology. Pimentel's first studies didn't even include an accounting for the value of the co-product. Figure EROEI in the range of .9 to 1.2
Using average farm productivity and average technology, figure between 1.2 and 1.75 EROEI.
Using the latest technology AND setting up a system where the ethanol plant is next to a feedlot, so the distiller's grains don't need to be dried for transport purposes, and you can reach 1.9 EROEI or so. The drying of distiller's grains sucks a lot of natural gas, so if you can eliminate that step, efficiency is improved. You can truck distiller's grain wet, but only for short distances due to economics. You cannot ship distiller's grains by rail while it is wet.
As to the problem of accounting for co-products, part of the difficulty is that the corn is transformed from largely a starchy source of calories, to a source of protein (DDG). Probably the best ways to account for the change in composition would be to either use the relative feed value ratings, or examine the monetary value of the input corn to the value of the output distiller's grain (dried or not) and use the ratio of the prices to determine what percentage of the corn was "used up" in the ethanol conversion.
On the basis of what your talking about you right. However you do something that all of us tend to do; that is forget to look at the entire picture. Biofuels have a direct link to food production. If youv'e been paying attention to receant news in the grain markets you'll notice that biofuels have pushed up food prices, in combination with oil. Along with the price increases the overall stockpiles of grain have fallen to roughly a thirty year low. So actually biofuels will simply add to the coming problem of food production. The largest risk of peak oil is it's affect upon food production. Which is already being streched thin by demand, and with climate change negativly affecting it; peak oil could be the straw that finnaly caused global food production to collapse.