We've already hit "peak degrees" here in Maine, with over twenty degrees where I work about to be axed.

The Great Correction is here.

My about-to-graduate niece recently informed me that she has a thirty thousand dollar credit card debt.

I'm in shock. I managed to work my way through school and incur only a 600 dollar loan debt.

30k isn't too bad if it's her only debt. A coworker recently told me his niece graduated with 100k in debt. Her major? Communications. I just looked at him in disbelief when he told me that. Also, I have a friend who racked up 70k+ in debt with a major in philosophy. It boggles the mind.

My niece's degree--goddess help us: sports medicine.

I'm encouraging her to divert into emergency medicine, but she has thought of moving to Maine and getting a graduate degree in environmental science.

Sorry, Rachel. That's getting cut.

I do know that she makes a good farm laborer.

I don't see the problem. Injuries from physical work are similiar to sports injuries. I can't do farm work because I twisted my ankle taking dirty laundry to the garage. If I had twisted it playing tennis it would be a sports injury.

I agree. Medicine is medicine. And sports medicine could be quite lucrative if the collapse is slower to arrive than many here expect.

It might be lucrative anyway. People need their bread and circuses, especially in hard times.

Oh, I agree! I just think she needs to axe the "sports" part.

I don't. There's big bucks to made there. What if BAU goes on for another couple of decades? It's possible.

Even if TSHTF...entertainment may do quite well for a long time. Hollywood did just fine during the Great Depression. People needed an escape more than ever.

It's possible for BAU to continue for decades in the same way that it's possible to run through a solid brick wall and end up whole and undamaged on the other side.

Overshoot, hundreds of energy slave hours per person, the relaxation oscillator, resistance against inertia, etc.

Then again, what with our reality containing things like the magic bullet that killed Kennedy, or buildings collapsing against the paths of greatest resistance, yeah, it's possible.

From the story above: Simmons v Saudis, Round 2

Simmons believes we may already have hit that peak. After his recent studies, he now fears he has “grossly underestimated how savage the post-peak oil reality will be.”

Do you believe CERA or Simmons ?

p.s everytime you say inertia I think you mean momentum. BAU has massive momentum, but the 'inertia' of BAU will end when the appropriate outside force is applied to it.

I think it's possible that both CERA and Simmons are wrong. The evidence so far suggests that may be the case. Saudi production didn't crash, but neither is it increasing.

And even if Simmons is right, that doesn't mean society will collapse overnight.

In short, I think it's possible that the force is not enough to overcome the inertia. At least, not right away.

It's looking like peak oil was almost three years ago. And for some people, it's certainly been as bad as we feared. But not for us. I think it's possible it will go on this way for a lot longer.

One possible hypothesis might be that the Saudis have a few aces up their sleeve (possible with robes?) that they have done a very good job of hiding. Rather than pumping all they possibly can, they are purposely holding back to conserve their resources for the long term. They might have their own SPR, one that hardly anyone knows about.

It makes little difference whether the Saudis have maxed out because they CAN'T pump anymore, or because they WON'T pump anymore. The bottom line is that they ARE NOT pumpling any more.

I think it's possible that they can't pump more...at the moment. Maybe they can raise production, but it's not as easy as just turning the spigot. It requires time, resources, and billions in investment, and they were caught flat-footed.

P.S. And I think it does matter whether they can't pump more, or won't pump more. If they can't, production may be about to fall off a cliff. If they can, the plateau could go on for a lot longer.

Yup. The difference between an inconvience [still with longer term ugly overtones] and the beginning of the TEOWAWKI.

Yes, when I think about it a bit harder, I know what you mean. I first learned of peak oil in March 05. And now, 3 years later, events in the world are nowhere near as bad as I was fearing they probably would be by now. But then again... don't forget more things happen geometrically that arithmetically in the real world.

1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128....

not

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8....

So if 100 is calamity on the disaster scale, we might get there faster than people who think arithmetically realize...

Take prices. For instance gasoline.
Geometric, increasing 20% per year starting at $1


YearPrice
2001$1
2002$1.20
2003$1.44
2004$1.78
2005$2.14
2006$2.57
2007$3.08
2008$3.70
2009$4.44
2010$5.32
2011$6.39

Has there been a paradigm shift to geometrically increasing fuel and oil prices? Perhaps, but I can understand how a significant recession might alter this trend.
Other things that ARE increasing geometrically:
World homo sapiens population, food demand, oil demand, water demand, electricity demand.....

This is also why I don't believe in production "plateaus", unless it is happening because an oil field is being produced at below it's maximum theoretical rate, due to infrastructure constraints, or, shock horror, wise production practices designed to maximize overall recovery. I believe that Saudi Arabia is at the beginning of a geometric production decline, not an artificial plateau. But I hope I am wrong, time will tell.

It's looking like peak oil was almost three years ago. And for some people, it's certainly been as bad as we feared. But not for us. I think it's possible it will go on this way for a lot longer.

A more accurate statement of the current situation might be: "it's looking like we've been on the peak oil plateau for almost three years."

Framed correctly, one naturally will ask: "how much longer can we expect to remain on this plateau?" For a nation that imports two thirds of its oil, the answer is "not long!" (three to five years perhaps).

What it boils down to is this: if westexas & Khebab are even remotely on target, it will NOT "go on this way for a lot longer."

As oil exporting nations experience both declining oil production and increased domestic oil consumption, they will reduce oil exports to the U.S. Because the U.S. is highly dependent on imported oil for transportation, food production, industry, and residential heating, the nation will experience the impacts of declining oil supplies sooner and more severely than much of the world. Peak Oil: Alternatives, Renewables, And Impacts

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You're right, she needs to change majors. Sports medicine is a completely worthless degree, you cannot get a job with it. if she really likes that area she'd be much better off getting a degree in physical therapy or occupational therapy. the training is a lot better and more practical too. Medicare and many private insurers do not cover therapy even from persons with athletic trainer degrees, let alone the more generic "sports medicine". Exercise physiology is another one where many students think it's really interesting, something they enjoy, etc. but there are very few job paths available with such a degree.

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I'm sure a sports medicine specialist can treat repetitive stress injuries from weed pulling and wood cutting :)........ new sports in the post FF era

Think trepanning will make a comeback, Phin?

Actually, the exact same procedure is more or less still used today but we call it a "burr hole". the procedure is used almost exclusively for the drainage of hematomas. For the most part, the procedure is no longer done to release demons or spirits since the insurance reimbursement for that diagnosis is so poor ;-).

But seriously, I think we'll have to rely more on lower tech solutions. Frankly many of the higher tech treatments we do today are enormously more expensive and only add a marginal improvement over the more traditional treatment being replaced.

For example, a recent large study showed that age-old blood pressure medications (pennies a day) worked just as well at lowering BP and reducing heart attacks as the newer more expensive brand drugs (dollars a day). we need to do more of that kind of research.

My assumption was that sports medicine was a medical specialty that required an MD, intership. residency.

There's a bachelor's degree in sports medicine available at most universities and colleges. It qualifies you for essentially nothing. You cannot work as a therapist, you cannot work as an athletic trainer. You can work as a exercise consultant or personal trainer but that's about it, and frankly anybody can call themselves a personal trainer and charge $10 or $20 an hour if someone is willing to pay them to do that. It's probably not a bad degree for an athlete who plans to go into a career in coaching, I suppose.

To be a sports medicine physician requires 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school and at least 3 years of specialty training after medical school. To be board certified in sports medicine usually requires at least one extra year of subspecialty training. Many doctors (and chiropractors) will use the label sports medicine without ever doing the additional sub-specialty training. These physicians should not be using the term "board certified in sports medicine".

Of course, right now we're also at "Peak Credentials". How well and for how long the licensing laws will continue to be enforced is uncertain.

That's probably correct.