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From your comments it is obvious that you don't ride rail transit systems, nor have you travelled much in major US population centers. I have worked for short periods of time in over twenty five major metropolitan areas of the US and the traffic in many of them is congested enough to warrent the development of light rail systems. Just because most states don't have the population density of France does not mean that many major metro areas can't support rail transit.
Look at California with over 40 million people (including illegals) and condsider their traffic congestion problems. California needs dozens of rail transit lines beyond the few systems that are now running and well patronized.
And about those transit drivers being surly and strike prone: please elaborate on that regarding US rail transit sytems. All the US rail transit systems I have ridden (over 20) don't have direct rider to operator contact.
Let's see some facts or real life experiences, PaulS, to back up your arguement.
don't have direct rider to operator contact.
I like the operator contact on the New Orleans streetcars. 80+% of them are friendly and helpful.
Most touching are examples like a streetcar operator getting out and helping a blind person across the street when it was messed up by construction.
Best Hopes for People,
Alan
You are right about US density. One can see vineyards and cows grazing from some French tram lines. These are NOT super dense cities, but smaller towns (112,000 is not big) surrounded by villages, connected by trams.
This is a map of the 2011 Mulhouse tram system (pdf)
Google some of the village names and they are 1,000 or so people.
http://www.tram-train.org/sysmodules/RBS_fichier/admin/download.php?file...
There was a time when Iowa had a network of self powered passenger rail cars which connected the many small towns and villages with nearby cities. The last one shut down in the early 1960s as better roads and more reliable autos became affordable.
AlanfromBigEasy -
Dumb question: I know there is a Desire St. in New Orleans, but is there now, or has there even been an actual streetcare with that name on its route indicator?
As ask because I have always been a big fan of Tennessee Williams.
ABSOLUTELY !!
The original Desire Line ran up Royal Street and down Bourbon Street in the French Quarter (one representing fine antiques, art, jewelers, etc and the other more carnal desires).
A city civil engineer and I came up with a plan for the new Desire Streetcar line (on Rampart Street) that everyone liked and Mayor Nagin was going to announce in October, 2005 (as part of his re-election bid). Then Katrina hit and the federal levees failed.
Widen the neutral ground from 20' to 36', put a streetcar between two rows of lamps (like CBD section of Canal Line, but grass running), go from two to one traffic lanes on either side, bicycle lanes on either side. To preserve parking (and make everything fit), encroach on sidewalk about 10" where there is not an overhanging balcony. Where there is an balcony create a 6' wide mini-garden in what would had been parking and require bicycle parking to replace lost auto parking.
AlanfromBigEasy -
Thanks much for the info re Desire Street street car.
I have always depended on the kindness of strangers.
and I suppose it's been noted many times, but "A Desire Named Streetcar" would make a good website name...
Well patronized or not, San Diego has cut back service on their trolley system recently due to lack of funds and, for the line in question, lack of riders at night (which was the service that was cut.)
California is right now in a state funds crises, which will find its way into the local mass transportation budgets.
LA is of course the poster child for automobile inspired development, yet gasoline @$3.5/gal is not such a big deal when a dumpy old house costs $500,000. Will an effective rail system ever be built in the greater LA area, as a peak-oil adaptation strategy? I doubt it.
Well, yes, point taken - technically, on the heavy lines as opposed to small trams, one might have contact with a surly strike-prone conductor rather than driver. But the lingering memories are still of the New York subway strikes, and WNEW-TV running hidden camera footage of nothing much besides card games going on at the maintenance shops, and seeing subway cars traveling the NY Thruway on truck trailers to go elsewhere get fixed because nothing went on at the shops, and seeing - just recently - a New York City bus on the Indiana Toll Road for the same reason, and after everybody walked to work for days on end, New York mayors caving in and giving 'em everything they wanted and more, and bonuses on top of that. And don't get me started on the antics of William Ronan, or the infamous 7:55 from Babylon, Long Island, that made the news as canceled, most days. In other words, a veritable cesspit of cronyism, incompetence, shiftlessness, sloth, stupidity and corruption.
Oh, and the moronic excuses on the Washington DC Metro over hard-to-get electrical relays, as if the lazy, slothful, dozing supply bureaucracy shouldn't have seen that one coming years in advance. And the perpetual construction and bus bypasses on the Chicago CTA - no project in Chicago ever gets finished, not rail, not highway. And lest one think that fecklessness and utter indiscipline on the part of public agencies and their jobsworth staffs are limited to the USA, consider the fantastic excuses for execrable service from London out to the Cotswolds (British example: "the leaves on the line are 'bigger and juicier' than last year)". So you're right, I'm happy not to be obliged these days to rely every day on these unreliable contraptions; that the problems are entirely sociological rather than technical makes them essentially impossible to fix once they have set in.
And yes, Manhattan and the Chicago Loop are among the few places in the USA that can support rail transit. Perhaps, also, downtown Washington DC and San Francisco. And yet, oddly enough, the Dulles extension has apparently just gone down in flames, although, if I recall correctly, that's where the local highway is so congested that the lights only allow it to be crossed briefly once every twelve minutes (sorry, didn't find a link.) Likewise, Chicago is a solid clot of traffic most rush hours, and yet they have a big project also apparently going down in flames. OTOH, maybe people figure that with a highway they'd at least get an additional connection, something they might actually use.
I think I'll leave the last word to The Onion: Report: 98 Percent Of U.S. Commuters Favor Public Transportation For Others, which we might as well treat as if it were a real news report, since the intractable administrative, social and political realities are almost beyond even Onion satire.
GOOD REPORTING OF A FEW VERY SELECTIVE NEWS "STORIES" TO SUPPORT YOUR CASE.
How about a the fact that transit ridership has climbed to the highest level in 49 years, and many cities that would like to initiate rail transit programs can't becaus their is no federal matching funds available.
And How about the fact that over 90% of federal funding for surface transportation has gone for highways over the last 50 years. (visit www.narprail.org for the facts on transportation spending). No wonder 98% of US commuters have chosen to drive to work, because fast & convenient transit does not exist for most. And how about the article you cited that over 40% of those surveyed think investment in transit is a good idea to help get cars off the road.
Your whining about misinvestment would be better spent on wasteful defense spending, not transit spending.