<This Week in Petroleum 2-27-08The Oil DrumDrumBeat: February 28, 2008>

268 comments on North American Natural Gas Production and EROI Decline

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Robert Marston on February 27, 2008 - 1:53pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Hmmm. And whatever happened to all this talk of NG as the bridge fuel supply a few years ago? Poof! Gone.

We need to become very serious about real renewables -- solar, wind, OTEC, and non-food biofuels. Yesterday.

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WNC Observer on February 27, 2008 - 4:14pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

We need to become very serious about real renewables -- solar, wind, OTEC, and non-food biofuels. Yesterday.

Yester-couple-of-decades-ago, you mean.

Mr. Hans Blix's above reaction to the situation, while appropriate, was if anything an understatement.

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Robert Marston on February 27, 2008 - 4:25pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

*Whistles while walking past graveyard.*

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weatherman on February 27, 2008 - 6:22pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

The problem is one of technology. Canada has reserves of unconventional natural gas equal to 3 times the World's reserves of conventional NG. The technology to exploit them is in it's infancy. Soon methane hydrates will be exploited. Race against time?

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Robert Marston on February 27, 2008 - 9:19pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

"Race against time?"

I think so. Maybe even running just to stand still. But that's better than running to fall behind.

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GreyZone on February 28, 2008 - 12:54am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

We are already behind. We failed to respond when we had clear opportunity and we threw Jimmy Carter's call to energy conservation to the wolves of infinite consumption. When we learn to accept that we will have learned an important lesson. And after we've learned that lesson, we may finally begin to think about applying triage to our global civilization in an effort to save some of it. Because quite frankly, we are not going to save all of it.

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Robert Marston on February 28, 2008 - 1:04am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

All the oil and gas guys want to do is find and sell more oil and gas. But that's a path to all sorts of trouble. I think we need a serious shift to renewables. As I said before -- Yesterday.

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GreyZone on February 28, 2008 - 5:57pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

That's Business As Usual (BAU). BAU is simply bad. The only rational road that I can see out of this cul-de-sac is electrical. Conversion of transportation and everything else to an electrical base coupled with creation of electricity from whatever sources turn out to be best for us. That looks (to me) to be solar, wind, and nuclear, at least for the near term. I don't like nuclear because of safety, security, and proliferation issues but the alternative is literally social collapse somewhere down the road. I'd prefer renewables over nuclear to the greatest extent possible but it's not yet clear if we can ramp up renewables fast enough to matter. In any case though, if we continue down the BAU path, we are making the situation worse, not better.

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jim burke on February 28, 2008 - 9:45pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

you forgot coal :)

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