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Cherenkov,
President Lula states that Brazil has approx. 150 Million Acres of fertile, non forested land lying fallow, as we speak. Colombia seems to have plenty of non-Rain Forest Coca Bushes.
Folks, There are, literally, Billions of acres of usable land lying fallow around the world. We have over 700 Million Acres of land in the U.S. that is loosely defined as "Grazing" land. This is in addition to the 440 Million acres we define as "cropland." In the "Cropland" is 36 Million Acres that we pay farmers NOT to Farm. There Are Issues. BUT, "Available" Land is not one of them.
I disagree with this to the extent that less land should be used to grow food and biofuels, and more land should be used to restore ecosystem services and suck carbon out of the air. There may be some methods of food and fuel production that are carbon sinks, but optimizing carbon sequestration is different from optimizing food production.
Yes, you might say that there is really no such thing as land 'lying fallow' as the 'weeds' and trees it is now supporting are an increasingly vital part of the overburdened ecosystem.
Kdolliso,
Not to be too blunt, but you could not be more mistaken.
Spend some time studying up on the Brazilian Cerrudo(sp) that President Lula is speaking of. It is not hard to see that exploiting this land will only have a short term benefit and will result in long term adverse consequences. Not to mention that as the Amazon rain forest shrinks and becomes more arid that the Cerrudo will become even more arid as its rainfall comes primarily from evaporation in the Amazon.
As one who grew up in "grazing land" I can assure you that if this land was suitable for any other agricultural use it would already be being used for that. We are currently having millions of acres of land being downgraded from grain production to grazing due to it no longer being fertile enough for grains. In many areas grazing land is no longer suitable for that use either. There are large acreages in the West and Australia that fit this description.
The reason there is a government program (CRP) to pay farmers not to use land is that (in general of course as scaming goes on everywhere) the land under this program was unsuitable for most kinds of cropping and the environmental consequences of continuing was not acceptable. Such land is really more suitable for grazing.
One can go on for hundreds of pages, which are all out there to find and read, about how our current forms of agriculture are way beyond sustainability already. Not to mention that the world is pretty much hell-bent on making the situation worse as fast as we can. Don't want to miss any opportunity for a short term financial gain. After all, we don't owe our children and grandchildren anything. When was the last time they did anything for us.
Wyoming,
Anecdotes, of course, abound. However, let Me give one.
I drive through Arkansas, from time to time, and observe tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of acres of good, fertile, formerly-rice land sitting there and drawing CRP Dollars. It is, quite simply, a natural resource that is being wasted.
Add into the mix Pioneers statement, yesterday, that they expect to increase corn, and soy bean yields by 40% in the next decade, and we are Awash in wasted Potential.
Sounds like the Green Revolution. Which is now collapsing in a heap of high fertilizer costs, drought, and overshoot.
kdolliso,
Yes they do, however I have studied this and you clearly have not. Sure there are CRP acres not in use that could be put inito good production. Thus my comment about scaming the system. It proves nothing. You are talking about many millions of acres that you seem to think are just being wasted because we are not growing something on them. This kind of opinion was underestandable in the 1800's when there was a virtually complete ignorance of how the natural systems functioned. It is not excusable in todays world. No one who has spent any time studying the various scientific disciplines that cover how life exists and sustains itself on this planet would even think of arguing that it is a good idea to fully utilize all arable land in the world. It would be suicidal. Taking Pioneers statement at face value is not a good plan. Look into the effects of over using land. There will be serious consequences for doing what the current plan proposes. It is hard for us today to understand how utterly humans have transformed the world if we have not lived long enough to see it or studied well enough to understand what has happened to it.
Human agriculture is long past the point where current practices can be considered susstainable in any way. We are degrading the land at a significant rate and thus having millions of acres fall out of production every year. This land is damaged and much of it will take millenia to recover, if ever. If humans just took the amount of virgin land into cultivation that replaced the same amount of production land we are having to abandon each year it is straightforward to see that even that is not sustainable.
It all boils down to a choice between short term gratification or taking into account future generations.
A great problem runs through these types of issues in our culture. The argument between development and conservation has been morphed into one between liberal/conservative or democratic/republican. Politics always twists complicated issues to some percieved advantage. Once it is successfull in a new labeling those who are proponents of either ideology seldom if ever actually check into the facts again. If they ever had in the first place. These issues are independent of politics just like morals and ethics are not owned by individual religions. I grew up a republican in one of the most conservative places in the US, but I have always believed that we did not make this world and we do not own it. We have a moral obligation to take care of it just like we have an obligation to protect children who cannot take care of themselves. Those who would destroy it through either ignorance or greed must be opposed because it is our joint obligation. Our children and grandchildren on into time will pay the price for our failures far beyond any accounting we might personally recieve.
Well said....
The World turns, with or without U.S.
BZ
"Folks, There are, literally, Billions of acres of usable land lying fallow around the world."
Bullshit.
Which is not to say that some small part of these 'fallow' acres could not support a crop like hemp, which provides food and feedstock for useful products. Roadsides would be a good place to start.
As for the land farmers in the US are paid not to farm:
"The Conservation Reserve Enhancement Program (CREP) is a voluntary land retirement program that helps agricultural producers protect environmentally sensitive land, decrease erosion, restore wildlife habitat, and safeguard ground and surface water."
This program is a small recognition of our need to regain the economic advantages of nature's service industry. To waste these services so that some jerk can make a few bucks producing ethanol, a process which lowers economic efficiency no matter what land it uses, is beyond stupid.
http://www.fsa.usda.gov/FSA/webapp?area=home&subject=copr&topic=cep
RR: Good review. I'm going to request the book at our local library.
The CREP is/was a scheme to take farmland out of production, and lower the cost to the government of price supports. Period.
You and the rest of your ilk working intentionally, ignorantly or indifferently to bring on the die-off, to further degrade the natural environment, and to exacerbate inefficiencies in the economy certainly seem to know no shame.
The incessant repetition of falsehoods such as the idea that 'spare' arable land is bountiful suggests that your efforts are more intentional than the result of ignorance.
Many people have worked for many years to reduce the destructive impacts of industrial agriculture. The CREP was a significant victory for them and us.
Don't feed the troll!
Are you totally out of your freaking mind or what? You gotta be crazy. To view things from your shrunken perspective (oh, what's a few million acres here or there)is why we're (the rest of us, not yu) in the predicament we're in. Let me guess, you voted for the shrub.
Jeff
kdolliso,
I'm skeptical of this supposed claim by Lula. The people ripping into the rain forests are destroying the rain forests to get more grazing land. Why are they doing this if lots of already cleared rain forest land could be used instead?
Land used for grazing is not unused.
Futurepundit, they're logging the rainforest to get the logs.
After the logging the grazers move in for a couple of years; then the subsistence farmers give it a go for another three or four years. Then it's over. Back to nature.