true, and add to that,that all the Iraqi oil would still reach the world market one or the other way. Status Q as for oil supply in other words, but subtract all US-military-oil used and add that to the civil market ...

Man, how bad has not that war been and still is ... in regards to all possible parameters.

BTW where is the world police (US/UN) on Zimbabwe? Mugabe is 1000-times worse than Saddam in my eyes!
....ahh stupid me, no oil !

For the daily cost of the Iraq War ($343,000,000 per day), 9,800 homes could be electrified with 4kW solar electric systems each day. For the yearly cost of the Iraq War ($125,000,000,000 per year), 3,557,000 homes could be electrified with 4kW solar electric systems each year. For the total appropriated cost of the Iraq War ($607,000,000,000 through FY08), 17,342,857 homes could have been electrified with 4kW solar electric systems.

Sources and Calculations:
*Congressman Murtha on the daily cost of the War in Iraq: http://www.murtha.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39...
*Congressional Joint Economic Committee on the total appropriated cost of the War in Iraq: http://www.jec.senate.gov/Documents/Releases/11.13.07IraqReportRelease.pdf

Number of Residential Solar Electric (PV) Systems Installed
- $8.75 per Watt Installed is the current cost of residential solar electric systems
- 4,000 Watt Solar Electric System installed is $35,000 ($8.75 x 4,000)
- $343,000,000 / $35,000 = 9,800 Residential Solar Systems Installed Per Day
- $125,000,000,000 / $35,000 = 3,577,000 Residential Solar Systems Installed Per Year
- $607,000,000,000 / $35,000 = 17,342,857 Residential Solar Systems Installed through FY08

Calculating Total Solar Electric Power Production
- Total System Size (kW) Installed per Day for $393 Million = 39,200 (4kW x 9,800 systems)
- Total System Size (kW) Installed per Year for $1.25 Billion = 14,308,000 (4kW x 3,577,000 systems)
- Total System Size (kW) Installed through FY08 for $607 Billion = 69,371,429 (4kW x 17,342,857 systems)

- Hours of "Peak" Sunlight per Day = 4.47 (From NOAA Database)
- Conversion Efficiency = 0.77 (Industry standard assumption)

- kW-Hours (kWh) per Day Generated for $343 Million = 134,922 (kW Installed per Day x Peak Sun Hours per Day x Conversion Efficiency)
- kWh Generated per Day for $125 Billion = 49,246,705 (kW Installed per Year x Peak Sun Hours per Day x Conversion Efficiency)
- kWh Generated per Day for $607 Billion = 238,769,520 (Total kW Installed for $607 Billion x Peak Sun Hours per Day x Conversion Efficiency)
- kWh Generated per Year for $607 Billion = 87,150,874,800 (kWh per Day Generated for $607 Billion x 365)

- MW-Hours (MWh) Generated per Day for $343 Million = 135 (Total kWh Generated per Day for $343 Million/1000)
- MWh Generated per Day for $125 Billion = 49,247 (Total kWh Generated per Day for $125 Billion/1000)
- MWh Generated per Day for $607 Billion = 238,770 (Total kWh Generated per Day for $607 Billion/1000)
- MWh Generated per Year for $607 Billion = 87,150,875 ((Total kWh Generated per Day for $607 Billion/1000) x 365)

Solar Electric Power produced over 30 Years
- 9,800 PV Installations in kWh/Year x 30 Years = 1,477,401,156 (kWh Generated per Day for $343 Million x 365 days x 30 years)
- 3,577,000 PV Installations in kWh/Year x 30 Years = 539,251,421,970 (kWh Generated per Day for $125 Billion x 365 days x 30 years)
- 17,342,857 PV Installations in kWh/Year x 30 Years = 2,614,526,244,000 (kWh Generated per Day for $607 Billion x 365 days x 30 years)

- 9,800 PV Installations in MWh/Year x 30 Years = 1,477,401 ((kWh Generated per Day for $343 Million x 365 days x 30 years)/1000)
- 3,577,000 PV Installations in MWh/Year x 30 Years = 539,251,422 ((kWh Generated per Day for $125 Billion x 365 days x 30 years)/1000)
- 17,342,857 PV Installations in MWh/Year x 30 Years = 2,614,526,244 ((kWh Generated per Day for $607 Billion x 365 days x 30 years)/1000)

"There are no villains in this drama CR, only victims."

The Republican house leader sure as shit is a villain in the piece, as is everyone else engaged in the game of obfuscation in order to realize their personal aims of political power or personal wealth.
Liars are villains, not victims.

You blame OIL!?

CrystalRadio, either you cannot read or you cannot comprehend what you have just read. Here is what I wrote: I know exactly where the fault lies. To quote John Gray: It is a consequence of the evolutionary success of an exceptionally rapacious primate. Now does that sound like I am blaming oil?

We owe the overcrowding of the earth, the destruction of our environment, to our evolutionary success as a species. We are competing with every other species on earth for food and territory, and we are winning, big time! We behave this way because such behavior led to our survival as a species over millions of years of evolution.

It just happened. It was just natural that once we found this detritus that we spend it. We did it because it was just in our nature to do so. We used it to produce massive amounts of food and trinkets. That has made us fat and wealthy. It was just the natural thing for us to do. If there are villains then they are us. That is, the villains are Homo sapiens.

We have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo

- As for pointing to our mental failures with scorn or dismay, we might as well profess disappointment with the mechanics of gravity or the laws of thermodynamics. In other words, the degree of disillusionment we feel in response to any particular human behavior is the precise measure of our ignorance of its evolutionary and genetic origins.
- Reg Morrison, The Spirit in the Gene

Ron Patterson

"Sorry but without villains you have no drama..."

"But there can be no blame attached when the wise make and sell salad shooters of Kunstler to 'Joe Six Pack'. (By the way I really have an issue about how many on this site tend to view the common man as 'Joe Six Pack' shit...very elitist and twerpy that!)"

"We have been given much and wasted it and we wont get it back with lame things like it aint me it's the whole world , I aint to blame Mama everybody was doing it."

OK, Crystal, I'll buy the implied point that absolute genetic determinism is going a little too far.

But now I've wiped away the crocodile tears for the poor, abused Joe and Jane Sixpack, Fred Nurk, M. Untel, Mme. Unetelle, Jan Janssen, or whoever, all of whom eagerly lap up Kunstler's salad shooters, to say nothing of limitless quantities of moronic teevee rubbish and much else. So I'm ready to ask: do Joe, Jane, and the others share in any way in the responsibility for their condition, or does responsibility fall only on "the wise", with Joe and Jane riding along strictly as idiot passengers? The second and third quotes from your essay seem to contradict each other on that point.

As to that second quote, I will assert that if Joe and Jane are such stupid schmucks that it is unfair to expect them to take any part of the responsibility, then they don't deserve any respect. And I will also observe that not just in the USA, but in many European and other countries, the very law holds them unworthy of respect. For one example among many, strict regulations on political campaigns, regulations that make a mockery of freedom of speech, are premised precisely on the notion that Joe, Jane, Untel, Unetelle, and all the rest, are such sorry specimens of foolish unthinking rubbish that not only is it unfair to expect that they could ever see past the money, but it is unfair to such a fantastic degree that it is actually best to have the incumbents appoint staff to commissions to ration political speech.

Given those attitudes in the law - to say nothing of simple common sense - in the event I need anything demanding knowledge and care - anything from bicycle repair to brain surgery - I will surely go to an expert - a member of the elite - and certainly not to Joe, Jane, or Untel. As will Jane, Joe, and Untel, and for even the most trivial matters. After all, they know themselves, so day in and day out, for example, they happily fork over vast sums to multimillionaires to entertain them, rather than try to set their own empty minds at finding something to do. So I airily dismiss your complaint about elitism as nothing more than politically-correct bullshnarkey.

BTW, as to Kyoto, it looks more and more like most of the European signatories are doing just what Europeans almost always seem to do: making grand pious noises in public while doing precisely as they please in private. At least the US Senate, such as it is, had the gumption to turn the stinking thing down 95-0 rather than play foolish pretend games. And anyway, who cares, as the only responsibility Kyoto assigned to most of the world was to sit around on their behinds and rake in monetary handouts (though I do wonder how much of that largess will actually be forthcoming.) IOW it's a load of cobblers.

So yes, phooey indeed!