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Bl4ckVo1d on April 5, 2008 - 2:25pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Very naive, Ron.
The same interests control the media and congress / US gov. They own both. They own you too.

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Darwinian on April 5, 2008 - 2:55pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Bl4 or whatever you are called, Congress IS the US Government, or at least a large part of it. And it is not only extremely naive to think the government controls everything, it is just downright dumb. If the government controls the media then the media would not beat up on the government all the time. No government in the history of the world has ever taken the pounding that the press and the US mass media dishes out to our government. They hammer them every chance they get. They hammer them because they deserve it, they hammer them because they are inept and they hammer them because their reading and watching public just love it. The press cater to their subscribers at the expense of those inept fools in government who so justly deserve being exposed for what they are.

But you conspiracy theory wingnuts believe everything is controlled clandestinely by "The Powers That Be" or "The Government" or "The Elites" or " The Bilderberg Group" or "The Trilateral Commission" or "The Bankers" or "The Jewish Conspiracy" or some other crap like that.

All such positions are absolutely silly. But I guess it takes all kinds. You guys sure add a little hilarity in my life.

Ron Patterson

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Francois on April 5, 2008 - 3:07pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Ron,

You are always so sure about "the world according to Ron". Maybe, just maybe, you should admit that you dont know it all.

You and I had an argument once about the FED directing the buying of shares through Repos and Pomos. You did not even know what it was then, but you argued that they are not "allowed" to do that. Except they did and they are.
Now they financed the buying of a whole company (Bear Stearns), and I have not heard you say a thing about that.

Empty pots make the most noise.

Francois.

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BrianT on April 5, 2008 - 3:09pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

IMHO, your conspiracy theory on this subject is based totally on emotion. You strongly desire to believe that e.g. members of the US Congress or Senate are "inept fools". One could quantify exactly how much money per annum being a member of Congress or Senate is worth, and it is huge. The actual salary is dwarfed by the total amount. Inept, stupid people don't just continually fall into money as you need to believe-sure, they are hammered by the MSM for being "inept" just like they call Mozillo "inept".

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hardhat on April 5, 2008 - 3:47pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

As far as I am concerned, I have seen way too many laws and tax breaks passed for "special interests".

I feel most congressmen are whores, paid to do the bidding of the payer.

Any politician failing to "play the game" is economically forced to yield his power to one who will.

I do not subscribe to the concept that Members of Congress are inept fools... but I do think they are prostitutes, driven by lobbyists.

The Congressman does what he has to do in his environment to survive.

Unless the people organize a uproar, the lobbyists get their way.

This is the reason we can "justify" things like the Kelo vs. New London crap while simultaneously holding people who share music liable for criminal copyright infringement - even when we promise "justice for all" in exchange for "I pledge Allegiance".

Bit by bit the people are taxed more and more to pay for the largesse of the organizations represented by the lobbyist.

Yes, we have a good government system... but we the people MUST be vigilant. We aren't. We are allowing others to enslave us.

Steve

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Daxtatter on April 7, 2008 - 2:07pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

BrianT

Thank you. One of the downsides of writing in things that talk about real issues is that they are often filled with conspiracy theory nutjobs. Politicians probably dream of having the power that people sometimes give them credit for.

This just reminded me of a story I read that some of the Taliban in Afghanistan thought that we had a kind of "smart dust" that they could get on them and we could then track them from the dust. That would be pretty interesting, wouldn't it?

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eric blair on April 5, 2008 - 7:14pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

But you conspiracy theory wingnuts

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Conspiracy Features quotes from 'wingnuts' like:

- Winston Churchill, 1922
- Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom (1913)
- Benjamin Disraeli, first Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, in a novel he published in 1844 called Coningsby, the New Generation
- Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets.
- Andrew Jackson, letter, April 26, 1824
- Thomas W. Lawson Frenzied Finance, 1905
- Reginald McKenna, President of the Midlands Bank of England
- Professor Carroll Quigley, Tradgey and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time, 1966
- Congressman Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee
- Grace Commission Report, submitted to President Ronald Reagan on January 15, 1984
- John F. Kennedy, speech at Columbia University, 10 days before his assassination
- Senator Claiborne Pell, Senate Intelligence Committe member, commenting on a USA/USSR treaty signed in 1978
- US Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter
- Congressman Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee, June 20, 1932
- John Sherman letter sent to New York bankers, Morton, and Gould, in support of the then proposed National Banking Act,June 25, 1863
― Congressman Louis T. McFadden
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to then Secretary of the Treasury, Albert Gallatin, 1802
― Sir Josiah Stamp - president of the Bank of England in the 1920’s and the second richest man in Britain
― Henry Ford, Sr. — American Developer of the Automobile (Emerging Struggle pg. 165)
― Congressman Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of House Banking Committee 1921 through 1931 — in a speech made before the House in 1934
― Robert H. Hemphill (Credit Manager of Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta, Ga.)
― Congressman Louis McFadden, Chairman of House Comm. on Banking and Currency from 1920 to 1931 (Shadows of Power, pg. 23
― Reginald McKenna, Chancellor of England’s Exchequer, January 1924
― Willis A. Overholser, LL.B - in History of Money in the United States.

All such positions are absolutely silly

Yup. Silly. People like US Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter Winston Churchill are silly gooses.

You guys sure add a little hilarity in my life.

Well, I'm sure all the above quoted people are happy to provide you with snickers and giggles.

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Samsara on April 5, 2008 - 10:23pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Ya Gonna believe me or your lying eyes?

Instead of another peak oil book, read Creature from Jekyll Island next.

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eric blair on April 6, 2008 - 1:21am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I think that book was a standard part of the Liberty Dollar membership.

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ccpo on April 7, 2008 - 12:29am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Ron, it is no conspiracy theory that the US gov't, Executive Branch, controls media. This is simple fact. The NYT sat on the wiretap story for a YEAR. What was the time frame, eh? Let's see they revealed it in 2005... wasn't there an election in... 2004? Given how close the election was, do you think there was a chance it might have turned out differently?

Please. Don't ignore facts due to a visceral reaction to "conspiracy theorists." A few conspiracies we know DID happen: The USS Liberty, Tonkin Gulf, NYT and warrantless wiretapping, extraordinary renditions, Saddam attacked the US!!, the Reichstag fire, Abu Ghraib cover-up, Watergate, Pentagon publishing propaganda as news (current war in Iraq), etc.

I'm always amazed by the "It can't happen NOW" response.

Cheers

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