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I'm pretty pessimistic when it comes to Iran. Always was. Now, PO is bad enough as it is, without unleashing WWIII. If this next war is on, I can see no other outcome than the one our Chimp envisions, i.e. the nukes come out.
The scary thing is that it will not only distract from the coming depression, which can be blamed on a new war, it will be explained as a reason for high energy costs. "We are in trouble; it's all someone elses fault!" While the mess in Irag and the consequent meddling of Iran in Iraq was created by neocon LIES in the first place.
If they attack Iran it bowls over global oil production in such a fashion as to cover their tracks an it permits for the neocon putsch to be firmed ahead of the installation of a Democratic Congress next January, one which will promptly hand them over to The Hague for war crimes trials in order to restore some of our national honor.
And people here are so blinded by the Meat Stick Media they'll lap it up. Tell me again why I get out of bed and try to do something about this every day?
"one which will promptly hand them over to The Hague for war crimes trials "
Love your sense of humor, SCT!
If 'the oil exporting countries' were to say 'Turn 'em over or no more oil' - the speed at which a handover would happen would challenge light as being one of the fastest things in the universe.
That wasn't snark, it was a heartfelt hope. We're a pariah nation that no one is willing to step up to ... yet. Maybe we're the first and biggest cat to inhabit the Monbiot Feline Combat Containment System?
And I'm not snark'n either. People are handed over to 'international justice' is at ends of wars or an attempt quiet the others who set up the court. I can not think of a government that is still a continuance of the old government who hands over high placed members for a trial. A total lack of imported oil *MIGHT* be enough - my faith in my fellow man to toss others under the bus for their own benefit is the only way I see your hope happening.
If one wants to have heartfelt hope (or perhaps chaos) - imagine a 'national reconsilation commission' like South Africa for whatever your pet issue is. Banking, corruption - whatever. Fill out your from by April 16th, confess your crime and name your co-conspirators. Publish 'em to the Internet - as the light of the public would be a great disinfectant. If your co-conspirators opted to NOT fill out the forms, they are subject to whatever the punishment might be.
Think of the make work program for government paper pushers!
SCT, thanks. More people should hope, but first and foremost act to bring about change. Do call your congressman(calls from my side of the Atlantic will not work).
Some US general said "war is a racket", I think. A war with Iran would be the best way to funnel perhaps the last major revenues likely to be collected by the IRS into the pockets of Cheney's supporters (military suppliers etc.) WHILE providing the rationale for controlling dissenters AND the resulting gas shortages will also keep everyone focused on basic suvival, not paying attention to WHO is escaping on planes bound for, for example, Paraguay.....
You see, they've thought it all out, the neocons. And it matters not a whit whether anyone has guessed their plans, because they are in control.
But, you know, war lords flourish when it's a zero sum game. If available energy is increasing, then fine, leaders are happy to share the good fortune bountifully among the populace. But if the energy available is going to stagnate or decrease then the window SLAMS shut and people who are a bit stronger, richer and more powerful make sure that they remain that way, even if it takes lies, robbing, whatever.
There were war lords here in Japan until 1863 when the Meiji Revolution did away with them. I believe that the energy profile of Japan (as well as the world) changed at that time and it was no longer a zero sum game, suddenly there was coal, oil, etc. ("Oh, OKAY, great! Let's SHARE!")
But in the US way before Bush was--ahem---"elected" in 2000, the reversion to the zero sum game energy profile was clear, just even by the slowing marginal rate of oil production. Bush is a war lord, masquerading as a democratic leader. He is a war lord in every sense. He is being run by others who are profiting from his policies. He doesn't hate war, regret war, or even dislike it. (Maybe in his heart of hearts he might feel sorry for the people killed, but he is weak enough to separate these feelings from his policies).
He is a war lord. There might be more such "leaders" on the horizon, as time passes, only the scale will be smaller and smaller. Fighting between continents, then within continents, then within countries, then just between two groups on different sides of a hill......
"war is a racket"
http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
By US Marine Corp Major General Smedley Butler
The other bit of history that is not mentioned often
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Coup.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
(This tid-bit is RIPE for a prankster to fake a copy and call it authentic. I'm surprised it hasn't happened.)
There were war lords here in Japan until 1863 when the Meiji Revolution did away with them. I believe that the energy profile of Japan (as well as the world) changed at that time and it was no longer a zero sum game, suddenly there was coal, oil, etc. ("Oh, OKAY, great! Let's SHARE!")
Please post more on the history of Japan as viewed through the energy lens.
not paying attention to WHO is escaping on planes bound for, for example, Paraguay.....
Humans are nasty vengeful kritters. I would not be shocked to hear that the jungle of Paraguay was nuked due to trees being a source of wood for the next set of weapons - sticks.
"There were war lords here in Japan until 1863 when the Meiji Revolution did away with them."
Source please? Are you referring to the samurai class? That is what Meiji brought to an end. But they were a landed aristocracy, not war lords.
Aren't all landed aristocracies warlords - grabbing land by arms, then passing it on to their children with the military skills to pose as a protection racket for the tenants? When those skills are lost, the decayed descendants must either lose their land to reform movements (Europe/Japan), or hire death squads from the army/police/School of the Americas franchise, thus becoming warlords once again.
It is no coincidence that the affluent families of the US sent so many of their boys to military academies.
If you like. But it seems to me that it so trivializes the distinctions that you would end up with only two forms of governance - democracy or warlord-ism. That lacks in subtlety from my perspective.
I'd be perfectly amenable to just calling it "thievery", because that's what it is, regardless of who does it.
Land---exactly----that was the source of energy. Whether it's horses eating the grass or people eating the crops, the energy from the land was the only energy. Control the land and you control the energy--the food, horses (military). The amount of land wasn't increasing (hence the limitation on energy available). People fought constantly to control the land here. (Of course, without modern WMD and tanks, bombs, missiles, whatever, I guess the fighting was pretty much different from what is going on now in wars.) But the Meiji govt realized, after contact with outside world (esp. England I believe) , that coal-powered ships, trains etc could put an end to this feudalistic world view, and its lifestyle. And things did change.
Bush is more a symptom of peak oil----in a world of increasing scarcity, some groups will want to grab what they can get simply because they believe (perhaps correctly????? I hate to think of it like that!) that otherwie someone else will beat them to it.
Sorry I have no links in particular to recommend! Just look up various general historical terms and I think you'll find something.
And didn't the next 80+ years in Japan bring forth the most barbaric lethal culture the world has ever seen [exceeding the nazis, mongols, ruskies, chinese, US, British etc..]? What would that bio-weapons factory in Hiroshima be doing had it not been toasted in 45??
What would that bio-weapons factory in Hiroshima be doing had it not been toasted in 45??
Train US citizens in the facility?
12 aircraft carriers @ $4.5 billion ea + 12 sunburn missles @ $1 million ea = sum 0
Even the nut case Neocon's have to understand that a move against Iran will take Persian Gulf oil off line and kick the global ecomony into the dumpster... make that a giant trash compactor.
Likewise I would guess that during DC's recent talks with the Saudis, such subjects were maybe considered? If so, what would the Saudis positions be? I really can't see them giving a "thumbs up" to a nuke holocaust, even if they do hate those creepy Persian Shiites. The Saudis could derail such plans with promises of dialing back exports as a threat.
Besides, there's oil in Greenland. We should preemtively strke al Qaide in Greenland, grab the oil, and pack up our tents in the middle east.
Even the nut case Neocon's have to understand that a move against Iran will take Persian Gulf oil off line and kick the global ecomony into the dumpster
Wack-job conspiracy radio yakkers who claim to be 'plugged into' the 'global elite' have commented more than once that part of the 'global elite' (I'm sure they ain't the ppl I hang with) have pushback over the Iran attack plans because they worry over their comfortable little empires.
The true nut case versions have hard-core-religious beliefs at their core - so no amount of pointing at economy or oil will change their mind because they are siding with God(s). And really, if ya gotta pick a side the God(s) of various mythos create things like worlds or cosmoses or humans from dust/dirt, et la. Oil/money really's got nothing on an actual God (as portrayed in writing).
Now - Wasn't Iran supposed to have been attacked already? (or Houston nuked in 2005. Or .....)