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Renewing Incentives for Wind & Solar in USA
Due to expire at the end of this year.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/13/AR200804...
Best Hopes for Limited Political Stupidity (and no Bush veto),
Alan
PS: 116,000 jobs in renewables
The $0.02/kwh Production Tax Credit (PTC) is something Senator Grassley pushed through sixteen years ago. I had a short chat with him about this a few weeks back and he said basically that revenue is the problem. That PTC is dollars that could be coming in and if they're not they're taxing something else somewhere else at a higher rate.
I've been doing a bit of analysis on this recently and I think that I like the PTC as it is, but for the things we're doing I'm not all that concerned for specifically our projects if it happens to drop. There is a systemic concern that wind turbine makers will drop like flies, but I'm hoping a weak dollar keeps them rolling with the product going overseas - would serve us right for being so shortsighted.
Anyway, here is why I'm not so tuned up about that lapsing.
If I want to put in a large service here, with large being more than 50kw, I pay a $150/month Transmission and Distribution charge (T&D). The actual electric cost is $0.041/kwh but I also have to pay the local coop to maintain the electric network. They watch for your highest usage in the peak hours and in the nonpeak hours, charging $9.0/kw for what you use peak and $4.50/kw for what you use off peak. Note that this is per peak kilowatts used, not kilowatt hours - they take your highest fifteen minute interval for the month.
Lets say we're building an ammonia plant running on electricity that needs 50mw continuously:
50,000kw x $9.00/kw = $450,000
50,000kw x $4.50/kw = $225,000
50,000kw x $0.041/kwh = $2,050,000
Total rate for electricity? $0.0545/kwh. So ... T&D is $0.0135 ... and if you can build a system that doesn't care about the variable rate of electric production you're free of the T&D charge except for your own internal T&D cost, but it isn't that much to build the 34.5kv lines to transport the native voltage coming off a modern wind turbine.
A 2.0mw turbine will yield 660kw continuously here and cost about $1.5/watt. Assuming a ten year life you get about fifty eight million kilowatt hours out of the machine for its three million dollar price tag - a cost of $0.0519 per kwh. Now modern turbines, they last about twice that long ... $0.0259 per kwh.
Wind energy without a grid connection is competitive with hydroelectric. There are some policy issues with this, to be sure, but the renewable energy industry today basically stands where MCI was in 1983 - ready to start bypassing a monopoly network that is necessarily procedurally slow to accept new inputs. I don't think anyone else has noticed this, but my as yet to be indicted co-conspirators at the Stranded Wind Initiative are busy with patent applications for processes that make industrial chemicals using electricity and they specifically don't mind the variable nature of wind energy inputs.
I think the world is going to be an awful mess but maybe we can make corn country a survivable enclave. Each morning I get up, wrap that messenger line around my waist, and fling myself into the void, looking for a way to get us across that whole Olduvai Gorge thing. Setting aside the frightful things coming at us I must say I've never had so much fun running a startup operation before :-)
Welfare programs are not the answer for renewables. Lets end the subsidizes on non-renewable energy sources and level the playing field.
Todd
A carbon tax (quite high) would work as well.
Alan
Good point, a BIG carbon tax, rationing and heavily tiered electric rates are really the only fair way to get the mindless consumers to change their behavior in a way that does not penalize the least amongst us.
Todd
An idea via global media.
The Air belongs to us all. We are send carbon trading credits. We can then sell the credits (or keep 'em). The money from the sale goes into the consumers pocket. If you have a low footpint - you make money.
Call me cynical but it sounds like a licence to pollute. Since the government would decide the amount of "certificates" issued and over time this would certainly increase, it just sounds like another wealth transfer scheme. If you're talking some kind of science based quota scheme I have even less faith in the ability of governments to manage it, Canadian cod anyone?
The free market is already busily imposing an increasing carbon tax of sorts. The Chinese want us to use less oil and so they bid up its price. We want the Chinese to use less oil and so we bid up its price. It is a regular war out there with all the oil users busily pushing up prices.
The free market
Where is this mythical free market? I've heard that it is rare, so humans want to hunt it down, capture it, then torture it for information about where other free markets can be found!
Definition: A free market economy is an economy in which the allocation for resources is determined only by their supply and the demand for them. This is mainly a theoretical concept as every country, even capitalist ones, places some restrictions on the ownership and exchange of commodities.
The Chinese want us to use less oil and so they bid up its price.
Oh, that sounds like some kinda government policy. Ergo the theory you are mentioning is not 'free market'.
But if you ever see a free market in the wild (or being tortured) - can you make a video and post it on archive.org? Cuz I'm sure a whole lotta people would love to see an actual free market.
You know what would be really interesting?
Annualy declining oil import quotas. Either that or just old-school WWII style rationing. BRING IT ON!