Raising Nuclear Power Plant Fuel Efficiency by 900 Percent

http://www.dailytech.com/Researchers+Cook+up+More+Efficient+Nuclear+Fuel...

Not quite a two-seater hybrid electric, but ORNL's new nuclear fuel promises to boost efficiency by as much as 900%. U.S. Nuclear reactors are not known for their fuel efficiency. At a mere three to four percent burn-up, much of the uranium fuel is wasted and current reactors produce large amounts of unsightly nuclear waste. Advanced gas reactors may offer a better choice for the aging U.S. nuclear power posse.

Is that this stuff?

Next-generation nuclear fuel may be too hot to handle: report

PARIS (AFP) - New high-efficiency nuclear fuel meant to burn longer and stronger may prove unstable in an emergency and hard to dispose of, according experts cited in a report published Wednesday.

Nope. The link you quote refers to fuel to use in present boiling water reactors and pressurised reactors.

The fuel in the link antidoomer quotes is for advanced gas cooled reactors, and the source appears inaccurate as in the body of the text it talks about multiplying the burn from 3% to 9%, an increase of 300%, not the 900% quoted in the headline.

Actually, going from 3 to 9 would be an increase of 200%.

Thank god, someone can do basic arithmetic. *whew*

Yeah, I should have written 'an increase to 300% from the original base figure' but figured that anyone of normal intelligence would be able to follow, so did not bother re-writing.

I've always wondered why it is that going from 3% to 9% wouldn't be an increase of 6% (9-3=6). It seems that when you quote the 300% figure, you're talking about the percent that a percent is changing, but that ought to be a per-decimil rather than per-cent, but people never agree with me on that.

That's where percentage points come in.

hell yes, it 6%, but 200% of 3%(thats %%, or %^2)

surely 3*3 = 9 = 300%

I think I understand your lack of understanding of AGW a bit better now....

Of course, AGW stopped around the turn of the millenium. http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/opinion?articleid=3975938

When your appeal to authority is an article by a British ex-government minister from the Thatcher era, you must be getting desperate.

No, but it annoys the green nazi's, which is the important thing. Will global warming resume again or not? If not there will be some red faces around.

You're approaching the league of jbunt, that of nincompoop. This last March was the warmest on record over world land surfaces and "second warmest overall worldwide."

Ta.

Check this out, genius:

Sea Ice Index

For something more you denialists' cherry picker style:

Last month was the warmest March on record over land surfaces of the world and the second warmest overall worldwide.

And here's the clincher. Pay special attention top Fig. 5. Everything and anything else you know about sea ice pales in comparison. It is *the* thing you need to understand.

Multi-year ice almost gone.

Parting shots: What do you *not* understand about trends?

What do you *not* understand about La Nina?

Who pays you to spout this crap when even G. Dumbya Bush admits AGW is real and lives in one of the Greenest homes you could hope to find, eh?

Now, crawl back to Exxon and tell them to kiss my arse.

Cheers

The loss of sea ice last summer was funny, since 2007 was only the 8th warmest year on record. There were 7 warmer years but without the the massive loss of Summer ice cover. Some odd factor was at work. despite increasing emissions the annual temperature trend seems to have stabalised. Whether it will stay so remains to be seen.

What's funny is using inaccurate data to draw inaccurate conclusions. 2007 was the 8th warmest year on record - in the US. Worldwide it was the equal second warmest year on record. And more importantly, when analyzed by region, warming was particularly strong in the Artic:

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20080116/

Climatologists at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York City have found that 2007 tied with 1998 for Earth's second warmest year in a century.
[...]
The greatest warming in 2007 occurred in the Arctic, and neighboring high latitude regions. Global warming has a larger affect in polar areas, as the loss of snow and ice leads to more open water, which absorbs more sunlight and warmth. Snow and ice reflect sunlight; when they disappear, so too does their ability to deflect warming rays. The large Arctic warm anomaly of 2007 is consistent with observations of record low geographic extent of Arctic sea ice in September 2007

right, which is why March was the warmest worldwide on record...

between not being able to do the math, trusting sources who are not experts in the field and believing in mythical creatures called Green Nazis - I'm very not surprised that you don't understand AGW

2nd, actually. #1 over land.

Cheers

Yes, I expressed it in terms of 300% to try to retain the original articles format, where they obviously got confused about the rise up to 9% burn-up and said 900%.
I wrote rather sloppily though and should have said that the new burn up figure of 9% was 300% of the original figure, not an increase of 300% as I said.
It seems to have upset the pedants. although since I gave the 3% and 9% figures the meaning should have been perfectly clear.

9 fold would be 300% of the original, but an increase of 300% would be 100% + 300%, 400%, so 4*3=12

Its just games with the word 'increase'

...and current reactors produce large amounts of unsightly nuclear waste.

It's good to know that unsightliness is the biggest problem with the waste. We can just send it to the landfill with old newspapers and banana peels, then.
/sarcanol

Yeah, I was wondering whose job it was to get close enough to see that it is "unsightly." I'll be the turnover rate is high.

That sound exactly CASEnergy Coalition efficiency fantasies.
Please read Dittmar Proposal The Nuclear Option: Facts & Fantasies
For me personally energy should coup following criterien:
1.. Clean => OK
2.. Safe & Secure =>???
3.. Affordable & Reliable =>??? resources depletion
4.. Economic Benefits =>??? for whom?

Funny that that artice wastes so much time attacking Fusion, which everybody knows is unlikely to ever be of any use anyway.
1 They assume efficiency of reactors will never increase
2 In mentioning other sources of uranium fuel they never mention recovering it from coal, which is far more promising.

Their page "'Known' Uranium in the ground?" illustrates sloppy research and poor work in that their quote of uranium resources is from the IAEA redbook with uranium at $130/kg, when LWR electricity cost is less than 1% the price of the uranium. Uranium exploration has been tepid for decades, and then the price crashed with the downblending of weapons uranium as part of the disarmament treaties. The resource depletion argument for uranium has been beaten into the ground over and over. Its simply not credible in the least.

The article is light on technical details and heavy on fluff. Nuclear Gas reactors are not very efficient to begin with. Nuclear gas reactors were designed to operate without the risk of a meltdown, but greatly sacrifies the neutron economy. The were also designed to "burn-up" fuel so that the spent fuel can't be processed to produced nuclear weapons.

The High Temperature Pebble Bed, Helium gas reactors have a neutron economy of about 0.3. where as a Pressurized light water reactor is about 0.6. A Heavy water reactors has an efficiency of about 0.9. In a reactor with 0.3 neutron efficency, approximately 30% of the fertial U-238 is converted into Fissible U-239 which contributes to the power output. Reactors with a neutron efficiency above 1.0 are considered breeder reactors, because the produce more fuel than is consumed.

The bottom line, is this is a whole lot of nothing, since the efficiency is probably not significantly better than light water reactors, and gas reactors need an abundant source of helium. Helium production is dependant on natural gas production. As Natural gas becomes depleted, so will the supply of Helium. The Pellets are also difficult to recycle spent fuel because the are designed to operate at very high tempertures. A costly process is required to remove the protective shell before the fuel can be reprocessed. Any serious nuclear power program has to include fuel reprocessing to be energy economical.

Here is some more info on the AGW fuel cycle they are talking about:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/12/061211124018.htm
They are intending to use the technology more to burn up waste rather than as a primary means of production.

Any process which is heavy on helium sounds doubtful to me.

I think we need to distinguish different meanings of efficiency. One would be the percentage of fissionable/fertile material actually fissioned, this was where the 3% and 9% figures were used. From a mining, and waste disposal standpoint this would be a figure of merit. Tech guy was interested in the fact that you needed U235 and/or plutonium to actually produce enough neutrons to sustain the reaction. He was interested in how much of this is left over -presumably for reprocessing & incorporation into future fuel. Thirdly there is the thermodynamic efficiency of the power plant. Depending upon what is the primary concern of an author, he could mean any of those.

This appears to refer to concentration of enriched uranium fuel. There has been a tendency over years to go from about 3% enrichment to about 5%. Maybe they're trying to go to 10% or so.

This might be some improvement, but it wouldn't use any less uranium. The uranium would simply be more highly concentrated.