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The hypocrisy! Isreal HAS them, but is NOT a signatory to the NPV.
And Iran uses 60 year old technology of which it is highly questionable that it can produce weapon grade material.
Hans Blix and M. El Baradei are probably grinding their teeth at this one.
Thee reason Iran is building a nuclear reactor may be relatively simple.
It knows more about it's true reserves than the figures publicly given out, and how soon oil will be short.
Hypocrisy is not in the Jewish dictionary. Or don't you read about AIPAC?!!
Marco.
I'm a regular visitor to whatreallyhappened. Without loosing my healthy skeptism and critical thinking.
My healthy skeptism and critical thinking also enabled me to understand PO, and why it scares the sh*t out of me.
Thought provoking website, that
Last I checked it is the prerogative of every sovereign state to sign or not a sign treaty.
The NPV came with a set of benefits and obligations. Owing to Israel's particular defense posture, the NPV's benefits were of dubious value to the nation, so it refrained from signing the treaty and taking on the obligations.
Iran signed.
So then why doesn't Israel admit that it has nuclear weapons?
If Israel admitted it had nuclear weapons, it would have to admit that these have deterrent value which far outstrips the military utility of taking more land.
Now why would you want more land? That land is taken by settlers and developers, who vote and contribute to political parties. Real estate, as we Americans and Britons have seen the last decade, can create an asset bubble that makes a fiscally irresponsible government look good while it seizes dictatorial powers. The Neocons applied this model first in Israel, then via Alan Greenspan and dual-citizen advisors who cluster around Dick Cheney, it came to the US. The British always follow us.
What kind of rule should we expect to be created by a state-enforced real estate asset bubble? Real estate and financial speculation corrupting the entire political system? Check. The use of a terrorist threat to clamp down on media reporting on the real threat of an asset collapse? Check. The perversion of standards of government on purported security needs such that a president or prime minister refuses to resign after conduct for which his predecessors would have quit, without any subsequent impeachment by the legislature? Check. Oh yeah, and that inflation and bank collapses and depression and stuff.
The Anglo-American bubbles ran aground on the sheer size of their drain on global capital and the supply of oil to fuel more consumption. The Israelis are still building settlements. Their bubble lasts as long as their army and farmers gang up to drive Palestinian farmers off their land one after the other. Or until the water runs out.
I hear the Shia Lebanese have a whole lot of water...
So then why doesn't Israel admit that it has nuclear weapons? Israel has not signed any treaty obliging her to do so.
If Israel admitted it had nuclear weapons, it would have to admit that these have deterrent value which far outstrips the military utility of taking more land. Nope. Israel would not have to admit that, partly because it isn't true.
Now why would you want more land? Why does anyone? Depends on the land and the context. But a silly question given that Israel has been retreating from land for quite some time now.
I hear the Shia Lebanese have a whole lot of water... As well as several tracts of land bought by Jewish philanthropists in the early 1900's, and confiscated and de-Jewed in the conflicts later on. History is complicated.
So then why doesn't Israel admit that it has nuclear weapons?
Israel has not signed any treaty obliging her to do so.
But there ARE US laws that would shut off funding sources.
There was some sqauking over India/Pakistan and these laws in the past years.
But there ARE US laws that would shut off funding sources. And?
And?
And Israel will not admit to having nuke weapons in public as the US might then cut off funding.
Unless one thinks the US of A is not a country under the rule of law.
For years the argument justifying MAD would require 'your enemies' knowing you have nukes. So either Israel has no fission or fusion weapons (because they are at peace with their neighbors?), MAD is not a valid argument, or Israel does not want the US laws on cutting funding to kick in.
I'll leave it to you to figure out why Israel as a nation has not announced its fission/fusion weapon status.
Actually, Olmert did admit just that. Please see any of a large number of news items.
Olmert did admit just that.
If funding happens (like it did for Pakastan/India) then the laws of the US of A have no meaning eh?
America will do what is in its interests, as per the division of responsibilities delineated by Constitution and law and parceled out to Congress, the President, and the State Department. There are no matters of treaty law related to it, as there are no treaties between the US and Israel that pertain to Israel's nuclear program. There is past legislation, but whenever Congress and State square off over something like this, it's usually Congress that backs away, because a hamstrung State Department is not a good thing.
Israel, in the mean time, will pursue its own interests. The non-proliferation treaty is not related to any of this.
Actually, its eqitable application is exactly the issue regarding Iran and Israel.
Here is a search results page from the National Security Archive at George Washington U. (I implore people to search this massive trove of previously secret info, especially the Operation Northwoods file) for Israeli nuclear weapons. The whole collection from just this search makes fascinating reading--now you know where your tax dollars went. Furthermore, The documents found at the link were used along with others to make credible this book.
Most people understand the Pentagon Papers revealed a whole hidden history--the internal truth--regarding US involvement in Vietnam. There are many other similar stories about other aspects of US Imperial policy, some of which are available at the above GWU site.
*clap* *clap*
Thank you for digging up the book and link. Hopefully others will look at these matters before actual bombs are dropped.
The "equitable" application of the treaty is its application to the signers. Israel never signed.
America will do what is in its interests, as per the division of responsibilities delineated by Constitution and law and parceled out to Congress, the President, and the State Department.
Huh. Plenty of people can argue plenty of times when action has stepped outside of the delineation you have stated (Trail of Tears) or used the public power for private gain. (Teapot Dome)
But you just keep on typing responsibilities delineated by Constitution and law - perhaps one day you'll find a nice reality-free zone where such will be believed.
And in this news cycle you have this oddity:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=300093
Israel, in the mean time, will pursue its own interests.
Yes, because the Nation-State of Israel is UNIQUE in all state-based actions are done for the state, never ever for the private benefit of various people in contridiction to the states own laws.
The non-proliferation treaty is not related to any of this.
You can say anything you want. Doesn't make it true.
I've already shown that you are wrong on the whole America and Law angle with nothing more than the way the man on the $20 bill treated the soverign Cherokee nation. A man who flaunted the Supreme Court gets to have his picture on the money - that is how much American citizens love their law eh?
But I'm sure the Internet will be a-buzz with analysis of the various treaties if Iran gets bombed. Perhaps then, after action has been taken, "we" will know the legality of it eh?
you just need to read below the fold...
"...Bush tempered his remarks by adding that the Iranian push for experience handling all phases of the nuclear cycle was not only their right under the NPT, but was entirely understandable.
"Look, we are sympathetic to their goal, they have enormous quantities of natural gas but have no easy access to the major world markets for that gas.
Of course they would like to develop a petrochemical industry to give future generations of Iranians the benefit of a value-added industrial base.
Chemicals, fertilizers, plastics, these are the key to Iranian development and of course they don't want to burn their feedstock to power these energy-intensive industries...
We fully support the Iranian people's desire for a development model that does not leave them enslaved to Western bankers and dependent upon transfers of Western technology and engineering.
The US honors its treaties, respects the rule of law, and adheres to the principle of non-interference in the internal affairs of other nations.""
At least I think that's what he said, I misplaced my glasses this morning.
haha, if only... the sarcanol alarm went off when I saw "Bush tempered his remarks."
Gareth Porter exposes BushCo once again trying to "fix the facts around the policy."
I did read the entire article. Always do when I intend to comment because a few years ago I forget to thouroughly read a TOD post on nuclear energy and Prof. Goose immediately wizzled me back.
"we are sympathetic to their goal, they have enormous quantities of natural gas but have no easy access to the major world markets for that gas"
That's more hypocrisy if y'll ask me. Sanctions anyone??