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The time has come to stock up on gold and lead.
Forget changing other peolpe`s minds because it`s too late.
Most of us are going to have to grow our own food, and that SUCKS.
One of These will come in handy.
the propane burner and Ag. fuel/energy to make the feedstock (corn)make it an energy looser.
Raise a little corn (you can plant a couple of seeds, can't you) harvest it by hand, and replace the propane with corn cobs/stover.
Ya gotta think (the apocalypso is a'comin, man.)
Also, if you got any left over you can put it in the car. :)
The 25 Gallon Stock pot looks damn useful
Get real. There's only 16.7 kJ/g of energy in corn stover. That's not enough to run the distillation process, even at 80% combustion efficiency of biomass. You'd need external energy.
You get real; you're not going to distill ALL of your corn. You've gotta save some for the cow, and the chickens, and the corn-fired stove. You'll have Tons, literally, of cobs, and stover left over.
I can't believe my eyes. People are actually considering ethanol in posts at TOD. You don't have to make your own. Just buy some.
EROEI is irrelevant. It is the conversion of energy to a useful form that matters. Liquid fuel for transport is the problem. The infrastructure of cars etc., the distribution system, and the production system are in place for corn ethanol.
Ethanol has a higher utility and saves energy when compared to feeding corn to animals or exporting it so foreigners can feed it to animals or make ethanol out of it.
Anti ethanol arguments are based on fallacious logic. Ethanol benefits humanity. It's amazing how obvious it becomes as gas rises to $4 and beyond.
Anti ethanol arguments are based on fallacious logic. Ethanol benefits humanity.
I'll have to unlearn everything study I've read about ethanol so that I can reset my thinking in this manner. I can't for the life of me believe I had thought otherwise...
In my part of the country, people have been distilling ethanol from corn for centuries! :-)
"Most of us are going to have to grow our own food, and that SUCKS"
Who told you that growing your own food sucks?
Or are you just afraid of living simply ??
"Who told you that growing your own food sucks?
Or are you just afraid of living simply??"
Yeah right. I have a friend, married, 60 year old female, her husband slightly older. She has decided to grow her own food, to keep her hubby busy and to have food that don't come from China or some place that fertilizes with poison...anyway, she sure can't break up a garden by hand, so she went out and bought a tiller...and now she has food growing...lots of corn because they love corn on the cob, but there is no good way to store corn on the cob except to freeze it...so she is shopping for a new freezer, with enough room to store her frozen garden veggies...let's see, a tiller is less efficient than a lawn mower, and studies show that using a mower for an hour is equal in greenhouse gas emissions to running your car for 6 hours, and we live in a coal fired state, so the the combination of just that is really going to improve the global warming situation, and the little exercise in home growing has surely proven to be an energy efficient episode...now we await the first ambulance trip for the hubby when he attempts to do some weeding of the garden spot on a fine hundred degree day in the middle of July...ohhh the joys of an energy efficient simpler life...you folks really do live in a fantasy world, don't you?
RC
I agree ... anyone growing corn on the cob for there own food supply are in fantacy land.
But some HAVE grown there own food. Maybe you can talk to them to see if "it sucks"
I/we did it for over 12 years and enjoyed it . One of the problems was that there was no one else doing it , and no one else has done it in the US, so it was frowned upon as being peasant work
Americans see growing food as a lowly mexican peasant lifstyle.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lowly
I grew up on my grandfathers farm, where he had a garden that was used in earlier years to feed seven children, and he raised and slaughtered his own pigs, chickens and cows. I didn't know what store bought "pastuerized and homogenized" milk tasted like until I was well into my teens.
The garden, ahhh, the garden. I can still remember the sheer exhaustion, the insect bites, and the unbelievable heat 35 years later, and not with glee I might add.
People I met who had grown up in the city would say "that's got to be great living in the country, hunt and fish anytime you want to"...I (nor any of my uncles) hunted or fished growing up...there was simply no time for that. My uncle now lives in the city, and is retired from a good job...he can go hunting and fishing on the retirement money from a professional job that only life in the city could have bought him. He had no medical insurance in his growing up years, and no prospects for leisure time or "retirement".
There is a big difference between "hobby" gardening and growing food simply because you have no choice. I have done both. A hobby garden is fun in it's own way. A subsistance garden and livestock for the purposes of survival are work that is demanding mind numbing work for even the young. For the average demographic of the baby boom generation, it would be a death sentence.
It must be said in fairness however, that if you can find the young labor to do it, farm grown food, from the real milk and butter to the fresh chicken, beef and vegetables are a taste of HEAVEN. :-) The prefab stuff I have lived on in my adulthood is GARBAGE by comparison!
RC
A subsistance garden and livestock for the purposes of survival are work that is demanding mind numbing work for even the young. For the average demographic of the baby boom generation, it would be a death sentence.
Then they'll have to find some other way to obtain sustenance.
I've heard at least as many positive stories of growing your own food, as negative ones. If you don't want to do it, don't do it, but don't claim that it's a hard tedious life, because others will disagree. It all depends on what sort of land you have, what tools you have, what techniques you use and your attitude. It can get easier, over the years, depending on many of these factors.
How much did your grandfather produce for the market?
buy a generator. Run it, and the tiller on the corn likker.
Give Hubby a shot of whiskey every morning (good for the heart,) and feed some of the mash to the cow (you're gonna have a cow, right,) and use the rest for fertilizer.
Did I miss anything?
Maybe your friends could invest in something like this and have the local students run it?
I think what really sucks is people who won't let go of the past. BTW when I lived in colder climes I personally new an old geezer who scoffed at some local kids who offered to shovel the snow from his driveway for a few bucks then went out and attempted to do the job himself. Yep, he ended up in the hospital with a heart attack, now that was stupid and arrogant of him wouldn't you say.
Oops forgot the link
http://www.growingedge.com/magazine/back_issues/view_article.php3?AID=17...
Which just goes to show how utterly clueless and helpless so many people are.
First, PLAN before you dig and plant. Figure out what you are going to need, and especially how you are going to manage and preserve the harvest. One thing you especially want to do is stretch out your harvest over as many months as possible rather than have it all coming on at once. Thus, I plant three varieties of sweet corn - early, midseason, and late - rather than just planting all of one variety, all at once. Lettuce is planted in succession throughout the year. For cabbage family plants, I have both a spring and a fall crop. Several crops - parsnips, salsify, carrots, Jerusalem artichokes, leeks, swiss chard, collards - can be left in the garden under heavy mulch most of the winter. A cold frame will also extend the growing season into winter for many greens. Many things - winter squash, potatoes, apples, etc. - do well in cold storage; a root cellar is ideal, but there are other alternatives.
There are better alternatives than freezing. I do a lot of canning. I am not sure it is an energy saver compared to freezing, but I don't have to worry about keeping power to the freezer. I personally prefer canned corn to frozen corn on the cob, if corn is out of season; you can do more with it, too, in casseroles, etc. Dehydration is a good option for beans, corn, tomatoes, peppers, onions, and some other crops. Fermentation works for cabbage, cucumbers, etc.
As for digging the garden, I hate rotary cultivators (even the top quality Troy Bilts). I do all my digging with a Brazilian Azada, which is a type of grub hoe. It makes quick, non-back-breaking work of any digging or cultivating job. I don't need to worry about gas to fuel the thing, either.
As for weeding, do it in the early morning, not in the heat of the day. And you need to mulch very heavily, not just to cut way down on the weeds but also to conserve moisture in the soil.
These people probably needed to spend a little time at their county extension office and in the public library and online first. But that raises an important point: if you wait until the crisis is upon you and you are in panic mode, what chance is there of you learning all that you need to learn to make sure that you do the right things and not the wrong things? This, IMHO, is one of the strongest arguments for getting ahead of the curve, and making those adaptations to a lower energy (and probably lower income/wealth) future NOW, before you absolutely have to. Doing it now gives you the time to make some mistakes and to learn from them, without it being too much of a disaster. A great many people, unfortunately, are depriving themselves of that luxury by endulging in other luxuries now.
First PLAN what staple food you would eat almost on a daily basis .. Wheat , potatoes , etc
Then how much you need for a year (till the next crop comes in)
Raising tomatoes or sweet corn is not going to give your calories.
Scrap foods that require refrigeration
Only Potatoes!
Wheat grains are too small and need too much processing...
Dry corn is the grain of the americas and that is what we grew and ate on a daily basis as people have for centuries along with beans, squash and greens etc
Societies have lived for centuries on corn and tomatoes - they managed. Getting sufficient protein without raising and killing animals is a harder trick.
Instead of animals ... olive oil , almonds , beans etc for protein. Thats what we did.
I don't know who "we" is, but I've not seen any olives around here and wild almonds contain enough cyanide to be poisonous. Meat is the way to go for calories and protein.
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JimFive
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