Laissez-faire and ruthless industrialism and consumerism used to be what Liberalism was all about - looks like some switch-over has occurred.

Here in Australia we have the Liberal Party who are the supposedly the conservatives. We gottoo confused and threw them out of office in every state and federal parlaiment now. The Labor Party which is nowin governemtn are doing their very best to be even more slavish to the industrial consumer model. I think many of the people here on TOD could be described as having conservative economic values at least .