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55 comments on The Speech I'd Like to Hear from a Presidential Candidate on Energy and Climate Change
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But Eugene, if energy continues to get more expensive, what happens to environmental activism, and more importantly, its efficacy?
Part of the meme over the last couple of days in the media is that expensive oil/commodities is cutting into environmental movement's "oxygen..." Doesn't that continue to be the case...even after demand destruction kicks in?
Or does the 75% (I make the number up of course) of the shared agenda of energy and climate push forward, but with energy taking the lead because of its ability to affect short-term salience--whereas climate is tough to "see"?
Edited to add--my "75%" idea might have been inspired by Heinberg's piece on Bridging Peak Oil and Climate Change Activism.
Yes, we are at a fork in the road, and panic over oil prices could stampede politicians to toss environment under the bus (as evidenced by renewed efforts to open protected offshore sites and ANWR). It doesn't take much thought, however, to realize the folly of that path. After we've sacrificed every protected area, maybe (eight years from now) it slows the decline of domestic production, but it doesn't reverse it, and what then? The most likely scenario would be ever-increasing dependence on coal and the prospect of economic calamity in an overheated world. Let's hope that voters realize there is a shared agenda.
We've heard for decades that protecting the environment has become an American value, but so far it's been easy. Values only come to the surface when tested, and this one is about to face its biggest test ever.
MIchael Tomasky and Rich Lowry briefly touch on the political reality of climate change on blogginheads today:
http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/12072
They summarized the issue as one of abstraction (climate change many years in the future) vs. concreteness ($4 gasoline today.)
As for any synergy between peak oil movement and climate change movement - I believe that CTL alone blows any of that out of the water. With the EIA projecting CTL at several million barrels per day in future scenarios it looks likely that peak oil mitigation (if it goes down the CTL path, on top of radical expansion of tar sand development) will make CO2 reduction impossible.