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I suspect there is a higher than average complement of people here who share some or all of your views, anonymous.
One does not become a hypocrite by offering support to the suffering, no matter who they are - American or Sudanese - nor is it feasible or desirable to offer only qualified support and list every other group in history who has been wronged, hurt, or wiped out by natural and man-made disaster, before we feel for another...
The TOD no doubt draws an international audience. I am Canadian for example; I know there people from Pakistan and South Africa joining in here and no doubt many other locales. Sympathy feels the same no matter what language, religion or skin colour.
As an American, I can tell you that the American news reporters are incredibly America-centric. If an international flight crashes, all they want to know about is how many "Americans" perished, as if the the "others" don't count. This is part of the American sickness, that we are so self-centered we pretend other humans do not count. We can easily convince ourselves that Iraqi's are "towel heads" and thus not human or that Vietneames people are "gooks" (last war) and don't count, etc. etc.
This disaster shows that all men and women are equal in front of the all powerful forces of Mother Nature.
We're posting a lot about this particular situation on this website because we exist to discuss oil issues, and Katrina will certainly affect oil production. But that doesn't mean that the readers of this website are blind to other worldwide concerns, and I don't think anyone should make such assumptions about who we are and what we believe.
It's a different matter when it's our own country, and we know people who have lived or still live in the area affected. If the tragedy was preventable, we could have done something (as opposed to being unable to affect events); if not, it could have been us.
There is no comparison.
"Equally flawed is the concept that the atrocities are
African-only problems that require African-only
solutions. The well-documented abuses that continue to
occur demand broader and more robust international
efforts aimed at enhancing the AU's ability to lead. In
view of the Sudanese government's abdication of its
sovereign duty and to the extent that the AU cannot
adequately protect Sudan's civilians, the broader
international community has a responsibility to do so.
Civilian protection needs to become the primary
objective. Crisis Group recommends the following
immediate steps, building on AU efforts, to deploy a
multinational military force with sufficient size,
operational capacity and mandate:
1) agree on a stronger mandate. The AU must
strengthen AMIS's (AU mission in Sudan) mandate to enable and
encourage it to undertake all necessary measures,
including offensive action, against any attacks or
threats to civilians and humanitarian operations,
whether from militias operating with the
government or from the rebels. Without a
stronger mandate, the ability of AMIS -- or any
other international force -- to provide
protection will remain extremely limited,
regardless of its size;
2) recognise that many more troops are needed.
12,000-15,000 should, in Crisis Group's estimate,
be on the ground now to protect villages against
further attack or destruction, displaced persons
(IDPs) against forced repatriation and
intimidation, and women from systematic rape
outside the camps, as well as to provide security
for humanitarian operations and neutralise the
government-supported militias that prey on
civilians;
3) support a much more rapid reinforcement of
AMIS. The current AU plan is to reach 7,731 --
including 1,560 civilian police -- by September
2005. The AU believes this relatively small
force could largely stabilise the situation and
that it might then need to go up to 12,300 by
the second quarter of 2006 in order also to
facilitate the eventual return of the displaced to
their homes. Crisis Group believes even the
latter number is at the low end of what is
required first to provide stability in a still lethal
situation, that these troops need to be appropriately
equipped, trained and of a quality to undertake
a dangerous civilian protection mission and that
the AU should consequently approve and
commence an immediate increase in AMIS to
12,000-plus highly ready personnel, to be incountry
within 60 days. The need for civilian
police is especially urgent;
4) provide strong, immediate international
support. To meet these objectives, the UN, EU
and NATO must offer the AU additional help
in force preparation, deployment, sustainment,
intelligence, command and control,
communications and tactical (day and night)
mobility, including the deployment of their own
assets and personnel to meet capability gaps as
needed;
5) develop a Bridging Force Option. If the AU
cannot meet these objectives -- numbers and
quality of troops, and time -- NATO should
work closely with the AU to deploy its own
bridging force and bring the total force up to
12,000 to 15,000 within 60 days and maintain it
at that level until the AU can perform the
mission entirely with its own personnel. The AU
should agree that until such time, its units would
come under command and control of the NATO
mission. The UN Security Council should
authorise the mission with a civilian protection
mandate but if it does not, the AU and NATO
would need to assume the responsibility and
agree on an appropriate mandate. If the
Sudanese government does not accept such a
mission, NATO and the AU would need to
prepare a much larger one to operate in a nonpermissive
environment; and
6) enforce the Security Council ban on offensive
military flights. The AU and NATO should
agree on enforcement measures to be applied if
Khartoum violates the prohibition in UN
Security Council Resolution 1591."
No comparison.
it's easy to personally help with the genocide in Darfur, call your senators and representatives and tell them to support the Darfur Peace and Accountability Act in discussion. and donate to one of the many human rights organizations keeping people fleeing burning villages alive with essential water, food, and medical assistance.
i plan on donating blood to ARC. if you personally know people in the NO area, that changes things. otherwise, the genocide in Darfur is currently much worse than Katrina in terms of the scope of human suffering, and we have ignored it for over a year. not what i would call a humanitarian response by the US or the world.
Donating money to relief organizations isn't going to stop Khartoum from having an on-going massacre-fest. People who send money there have little assurance that they will actually accomplish something. But if you do something for the refugees from Katrina, the folks helped by your money are not going to have it all un-done the next week by a band of thugs sent by the government. The help will actually help.
That's one reason why people give more for our own.
why would sending money to reputable human rights agencies doing humanitarian and intervention efforts in Sudan (or anywhere in the world) be less effective than doing so within our borders? do you feel that sending money to relief agencies for the 2004 tsumani was also similarly corrupted and misallocated? perhaps some of it was, but you can only depend on the organization to handle the funds appropriately (and not let corrupt governments steal them), whether domestic or foreign. it's naive to think domestic funds are more often reliably and conscientiously used, while money used to end tyranny, oppression, and diaster overseas will most likely be wasted. both have risks and must be judged on a case-by-case basis.
sending money will help with the humanitarian disaster in Darfur, but the politcal steps cannot and will not happen unless enough US citizens cry out loud enough to make the policy changes (increase AU ground forces, stronger AU mandate, UN support) or else. when officials fear for their seats in Congress because people are outraged at their complacency, then they will stand up to change something. you have just thrown up your hands, and said "i give up, genocide or not, i can't make a difference". throwing in the towel before the game even started impies that "NEVER AGAIN" is meaningless.
Normally I let crap like you just wrote go but I'm upset today. And if you're going to write that, don't hide behind the "Anonymous Oil Drum Reader" tag, which I assume is the default for people who don't want to join and be known in this community.
Do you propose feeding the rapidly growing population in perpetuity?
Regardless, this post was way off topic.
regarding Sudan/Darfur, as far as i know it's not about the amount of land being unsustainable for the people but rather government supported genocide using militias to rape, torture, exterminate, poison well water, etc. the reason there are 2.5 million refugees is because their villages have all been razed and bombed and they were forced to flee.
i wish the people in NO and the surrounding area the best. i have empathy (and that is what is important, not sympathy) for all people who are oppressed, suffering or maligned by horrible circumstances or tyrannical forces. and i know it is a generalization that most americans (and i am one) really don't care about anyone or anything that doesn't affect their personal or national interests, but sadly it is often true. america has been this way for a long time, but regrettably i don't think we can afford to anymore for the sake of the world and what we're doing to it. i apologize if i offended anyone to make this point.
Although, if you had not posted anonymously, I would have cut you some slack.
Everyone: Take PG's advice. Breathe. Find a little perspective. And then give as much as you can to the Red Cross. Give until it hurts, until you've given enough that you'd be embarassed to tell your friends. And then give some more.
i plan on donating some blood to IRC as soon as possible. there are too many trapped/suffering over there.
i don't believe either party (neo-libs or neo-cons) is working for the people (with a few individual exceptions), and we need to seriously change who runs (and the way we run) the controls of this monsterous machine that is Americana.
Sudan is about many things but don't discount the ability of a land to support the population as one of the root causes of poverty; people who live on rich land and who have full bellies tend not to be oppressed. This is not an absolute but its certainly a pattern.
That's not to say they are not subject to oppression; they certainly are. Much evil has been done in the name of "oil and freedom", no matter what the anonymous thinker below your comment believes. Energy is power and power causes people, and nations, to do unnatural things to other peoples and nations.
I expect Africa to become the next world wide powderkeg in time, and oil will be underneath the surface as a clue to where to look for the worst problems.
No closet democrat here, I'm a life long Conservative, a conservative realist who does not operate with eyes shut or brain set to "accept the common clap trap" that springs out from government and the media, purporting to be truth.
So, excuse us if we brood over our losses and lick our wounds. No, don't excuse us. KISS OUR ASSES next time you need us.