I believe an overall carbon cap is far superior to prescriptive standards. A cap makes no prejudgment as to which technology is best; it says to industry 'you figure it out' just setting how much carbon is allowed in total. In other words it doesn't pick winners in advance.

The first big advantage is that it should prevent leakages across carbon boundaries. For example substitution of coal for gas which we are seeing in WA electrical generation and soon apparently in ammonia production. A prescriptive standard could say for example if you use coal your emissions must be less than the gas equivalent, and then we'll cut it year by year. Why not make the standard the solar powered equivalent?

The second big advantage is avoiding moral lapse. Obviously corporate sleazoids will put a huge effort into making their own standards as lax as possible. Instead of swapping carbon permits behind the scenes they will set up permanent lobbying in Canberra for papal dispensations. A good example is the corporate average fleet economy (CAFE) in the US. Car manufacturers got the weak standard they wanted and now they are going broke. Stick with the auctioned carbon cap that covers everything and avoids loopholes. Then give back the auction revenue which can't be spent on more carbon as the limit has been set.

Changing tack I've seen a WW2 aviator's watch painted with the radium from the Hunter's Hill site. The hands and numerals glowed lime green in the dark so could be read in a darkened cockpit. Never heard of any associated health problems.

Agree that caps are better than papal dispensation - though I'd still be tempted to maintain the MRET as well (remaining neutral on which clean energy sources make up this segment).

Never heard of any associated health problems.

Maybe you should go to Hunters Hill and explain that the people who died of Leukemia were just unlucky ?

Hi Big Gav,
I am confused what was being measured; a reduction in vehicle travel miles(VTM) or a reduction in petrol importation(use)?
It makes most sense to include all carbon dioxide emissions, although its not likely that 4-5 cents/L for petrol is going to have a big impact, in comparison with possible future petrol price rises( >$1 per L) due to oil shortages. We should definitely also have improved fuel economy standards for all vehicles that are raised every year.

I see one of the biggest impacts of carbon trading encouraging an expansion of long term forestry plantations. One of the problems with 20-25 year tree rotations for timber is the lack of income until harvesting.

Seems you only had to be related to a Nelson Pde resident, not actually live there

several former residents of the street whose relatives have died of leukemia and cancer have come forward

The radium was mined near one of the SA geothermal prospects (Paralana) and shipped to Sydney.

On the MRET I think that's where much of the carbon auction revenue should go, even to the radioactive geothermal sites just to see if they can get it to work. The trouble is that micro-renewables such as rooftop solar are still battler-unfriendly even with quotas, feed-in tariffs and rebates. My big idea for today is give a lot of the ETS revenue to electricity retailers and they can install smart meters, rooftop solar etc regardless of the homeowner's financial situation.

That's remarkably heartless and disingenuous.

Its kids complaining that their parents died - all of whom lived together. They are probably worried about their own health in future too.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/06/25/2285313.htm

Got any more pro-nuclear spin you'd like to add to that ?

The original article didn't indicate the afflicted relatives had spent any time in Hunters Hill.

I'll save my pro-nuclear views for the right forum.