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Break out the party hats... It's QUAD YERGIN DAY! Woo-hoo!
At least in Asia. . . .
(One "Yergin" = $38 per barrel. Do a Google Search for Daniel Yergin Day)
A few past quotes from Mr. Yergin on this glorious occasion...
A more relevant description would be a plateau in production capacity that might be reached in the fourth or fifth decade of this century. -Daniel Yergin
But eventually it's a question of access: Getting access to fields is on top of the oil companies' agenda. We see a substantial build-up of supply occurring over the coming years. -Daniel Yergin
Cycles of shortage and surplus characterize the entire history of oil. -Daniel Yergin
I think the producers, for the most part, don't want to see prices skyrocket because that will only create problems for them down the road and would also be a, you know, would be a very serious shock for a world economy that can't afford serious shocks right now. -Daniel Yergin
It's extraordinary how inventive one can be with ethanol right now. -Daniel Yergin
So the major obstacle to the development of new supplies is not geology but what happens above ground: international affairs, politics, investment and technology. -Daniel Yergin
The other are the strategic, so-called strategic stocks that the United States and the other Western industrial countries have, which could put in as much as four million barrels a day of oil into the market pretty quickly. -Daniel Yergin
This has a lot to do with the unrest in Nigeria, but also with the production loss after the hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico, the decline in Iraq since the 2003 war, and the decline in Venezuelan output since 2002. -Daniel Yergin
We are living in a different world now. You can see it everywhere in international relations: It was noteworthy that, after his visit to Washington, the Chinese president's next stop was Saudi Arabia. -Daniel Yergin
Within four or five years the US might be getting 10 percent of its gasoline from ethanol - that would be like creating a new Indonesia. -Daniel Yergin
You know, some of these wise quotes belong in the upper right corner... :)
Good work Gekolizard.
Print it off folks and tack it on your bulletin boards. Makes a great poster and conversation starter.
People who are not energy savvy will start by saying: "Now who did you say Daniel Yergin is?"
I know it's nitpicking, but still... Unfortunately I have heard other people, who should know better, make the same error. It just goes to show how deeply rooted gasoline == fuel is.
Now what's truly hilarious about this quote is Indonesia has peaked already... It's an IMPORTER for Pete's sake...
What he's really saying is that gas=ethanol (false), we'll be getting 10% of our our fuel from ethanol (false), and the volume we'll be replacing is the same as a country which is not a producer but an importer.
Even parts of a single sentence from this guy are wrong...
Better graphs are available from the Energy Export Databrowser:
After his old comments about oil to 120mbd and no peak until after 2040, he must be feeling like a complete idiot.
He has certainly changed his tune recently but unfortunatley there is still utter denial in that he was ever wrong. See the latest CERA frontpage details but production rates are completely left out of a 4 page synopsis of world production!!:
http://www.cera.com/aspx/cda/public1/news/articles/newsArticleDetails.as...
"Willll.........not.........be........asssimilated..............nooooooooooooooooooooooo......pe.............nooooooooo.ppeeeeeeeee...noo...ppppppp.pp.p.pppeeeeak oil" Sobs and wracks back.
Marco.
Can't wait for Cinco de Yergin. Cheladas all around.
(And considering the time of year, shouldn't it be called the 4th of Yergin.)
Could also be called one bin Laden day per late yesterdays' DB post.
With all due honor and respect to those lost and those still suffering the effects of 9-11 and nto to condone any acts of terror under any conditions - and realizing I may get royally flamed - I honestly ask the question:
Since 9/11 who has brought more to hurt the USA (or should I say the world)?
A) OBL/UBL
B) Bush-Cheney
C) None of the above
Pete
It was my understanding that OBL/UBL wanted to bankrupt us similar to what he accomplished with the USSR. Looks like it happened in the same country, same reasons........."mission accomplished" rings pretty true here in 2008.
I thought Ronald Raygun bankrupted the USSR. Did I get that wrong?
OBL had many writtings - and I'm sure someone has a collection of his 'want list' VS what has happened. Perhaps someone will post a link to such.
A thoughtful analysis of OBL's goals here: http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/al-queda%20evolve.htm
It's chilling to think that the whole 9/11 tragedy could have been about something as obscure as "withdrawal of U.S. and other foreign troops from Saudi Arabia"...
...Say who? ...From WHERE? How was that issue ever important enough to change the course of world history???
(And Bin Laden got his wish, anyway... http://www.cfr.org/publication/7739/saudi_arabia.html)
Looking at it from an oil demand perspective, as we discussed in an earlier DB the U.S. military is using the energy equivalent of about one month's worth of crude oil production from Iraq every year (82 million barrels per year of JP-8, the energy equivalent of roughly 77 million barrels of crude oil). That's 0.2 million barrels per day, or mbpd. That's not an insignificant amount of demand, about 1% of total U.S. consumption. If this sounds small, remember that T. Boone Pickens said world demand right now is 87 mbpd, world production is 85 mbpd, a 2% difference.
Iraq production has only now come back up to its pre-war levels, 2.5 mbpd, just eye-balling it it looks like average production was around 2 mbpd for most of the war. Taking the difference, maybe we've missed about 0.5 mbpd or 183 million barrels per year, 2.5% of U.S. daily consumption.
So, thus far the Iraq war has decreased the supply of oil while increasing the demand for oil. Moral questions aside, it would have been much better for the U.S. economy to buy oil from Hussein instead of invading. If the Bush administration really did have us invade Iraq to secure oil supplies, it has turned out as a damn poor tactical decision so far.
*I've been editing this a lot, but I think I'm done now. :) *
But don't you think that the Bush ad. invaded Iraq to basically funnel money to the contractors (US corporations that are often employing people who have worked for Bush ad.) Without a war they can't get the gazillions in funds they're getting now.......
War with Iraq was a terrible decision, morally and in every other way too. But the people in the top of govt and business in the US are not caring about any of that. They have very expensive lifestyles to maintain and no social safety net over there in the US. So if they don't screw others over, they'll be the ones screwed over instead. At least that is how they probably see it.
the war in iraq is just one of the ways of looting the treasury. the entire military budget is another. lowering taxes to buy votes is another. medicare combined with the fda's protection of the safety of drug company profits is another. general corporate welfare is another.
Iraq's Oil Production has been negligible since Gulf War 1.0. Since GW 1.5 its production has increased to about 2/3rds of 1990 production.
Is there a difference?
Just as the Bush family has always found common cause with the Saud family and the bin Laden family, it is apparent that Cheney and his gang had a common interest with Islamic militants in 2001.
In the Weimar Republic, the Nazis and Communists coordinated their riots, because even though each intended to exterminate the other, they had to first discredit the middle of the political spectrum, the barely-functioning German democracy. It was just a matter of who could act fastest against the other once democracy fell. The right-wing usually wins these contests with superior organization and greater numbers of armed bully types (Spain, Indonesia, etc). Unfortunately, in our current war both sides are right-wing.
In 2001, the middle that needed to be destroyed was cultural modernism, with its attendant international law and the UN. While many American businessmen had allied with our fascists (as happened in Germany), there were still centers of economic power that wanted a peaceful world. Bin Laden similarly needed Westernizers fully discredited in the Arab world, not that this needed much to accomplish.
More succinctly, both sides needed secular civilization replaced by holy war. Unlike any holy war in the past, this one was covertly framed as a battle over whom God intended to control the one substance that powered the world economy.
According to Michael Scheuer (bin Laden expert and author of "Imperial Hubris"), bin Laden's short-term intention was not personal conquest, but inspiring ordinary Moslems to obey their obligation to defend each other from aliens. So he was fine with helping other groups carry out attacks even if he lacked central control. Now if such a man knew that one of the groups asking him for money to attack the US might have been infiltrated by the Mossad or CIA to carry out a Reichstag fire, would he hesitate, or would he be just as confident as Cheney that his movement could prevail in the resulting World War?
You should have put this in italics.
I think that a clear understanding of 9/11 is essential to being a citizen in this country.
This film Press for Truth outlines the inconsistencies of the 9/11 Commission and the fight by the Jersey Girls and other victim's families for justice.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&fkt=1141&fsdt=4078&q=press%20f...
Its a shame we haven't invented nuclear energy yet.
That sure would have stopped us from running out of electricity for computers, phones, radio, lights and possibly fueled cars with batteries or hydrogen separated from water.
Maybe we could use the same technology that made the Nagasaki bomb into a peaceful power source.
I am going to run to Washington and file a patent.
You might have to run, if there are any shortages of transp fuels to drive with. But you won't be alone.. there will be all the runners on the highways carrying specialized parts and refined fuels to the Reactors, things which today travel by truck. I suspect Nuclear is too complex to survive without a robust Transportation base to support it.
Bob
Transportation shouldn't be a big problem if there's a rail spur built to the nuke plant. Then, a weekly train could carry most of what's needed to build the plant. Only a very few parts would be so large that special truck shipment would be required, I would guess.
E. Swanson
It depends on what you call a 'robust transportation base'
You don't need to have countless private cars on the streets for it to be robust enough, and either biofuels or fuel produced by the nuclear industry itself should provide enough.
In 3-4 years it should become clear for all to see that France has made excellent energy choices.
Andy Warhol would be proud of this piece of artwork.