John15, you crack me up.

Do you mean the same Volt that is now projected to cost $45,000? (As far as I know, Tesla has always projected its electric sedan to cost $60k so the price may go higher still.)

And the same General Motors that will be looking for a bailout soon because in inflation-adjusted dollars its stock is worth the equivalent of $1.50 per share back in 1950? (That's an indication that investors generally don't think its prospects are good, by the way.)

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121495482307421193.html

It must be fun to live in your world.

-Andre'

I live in a apartment so where am I supposed to plug my volt in ?
My favorite is that the new EV's are aimed at city/apt dwellers the one group that has
no place to plug one in and has alternative public transport. Pets.com all over again.

My job is far enough away that I don't have enough charge to do a round trip where do I plug in my volt ?

We just lost our house because of a subprime loan and we bought this shiny new volt but we don't have a place to plug it in and are short of cash but they are hard to sell around here few people can afford them. The value has dropped so we are just going to let it get repossed.

GMAC announces a mandatory 50% down payment on all volts. GMAC because of severe credit problems and delinquent accounts caused by people stopping payment on gasoline cars now worthless in the switch to the volt have announced a 50% downpayment minimum on all volt loans. GMAC was forced into this move to stop hemmoraging losses on most of its existing loans for gasoline powered cars.

The massive drop in demand for existing gasoline cars has also put most potential volt buyers off.

I'd like to buy a new volt but my current car is worth far less than I owe so I'm going to have to drive it for a while. Luckily enough people bought volts that gasoline prices are down so it does not matter now.

I can come up with thousands of scenarios.

Bottom line if by some miracle you manage to get the fleet to turn over rapidly to electric you also just made the value of the 17 million cars sold over the last five years close to zero.

EV's not only suffer from the same deflationary effects as rail on existing infrastructure but they also with a little common sense don't work for a lot of car owners.

I will give you that if we has started serious investment in EV's 10-15 years ago before we hit peak oil and put the infrastructure and most importantly developed electric rail for all the people that for numerous reasons did not have the infrastructure to own a EV. Then they fit in.
I actually think they will eventually have a useful niche market for the fairly wealthy i.e top 20% of wage earners.
And smaller runabouts for city use may be popular.
But they only work as secondary transportation options for a few with rail being the primary.

If I can manage to get my dream post peak living conditions and EV's exist I might buy one but I'll also get a 250cc motorcycle but this is only if things work out well for me and if they did I'd not consider myself the average customer but a fortunate person. So I'm convinced they will be around and that as the market develops they will have a important niche. Assuming that rail head parking lots can be electrified which is sensible the biggest use case is getting to the train from your house.

Given the fanatics that have switched from drinking the Corn/Ethanol cool aid to EV's its almost worthless to discuss real markets that might exist for EV's.

And I won't reply anymore to EV's someone who cares can do a keypost on them.
This is a NG thread :)

And NG is not looking good globally.
Good luck burning that NG coking heavy sour crudes.