Not all the equipment in an open cut mine can be electrified.Drills,draglines,face shovels - yes
Haul trucks - no.A lot of the hauls are several kilometres.I've seen photographs of old open cast mines in the US which used rail down into the pits.
I can't understand why Orica are importing ammonium nitrate when we have ample natural gas for this.
Probably on the grounds of cost but it would not be making our balance of payments look any healthier.Classic case of deregulation working contrary to the interests of the nation.
Boof,I wish you were right about the resources boom but I can only see this ending when the markets collapse,at least in part.Sad about our "fearless leaders'" short term thinking.
It is interesting to see the change which has become apparent in some of the MSM in the last few months.A few degrees more consciousness about the coming energy crisis but still not connecting in any meaningful way with global warming.Nothing at all about the monster at the bottom of these problems - population and immigration.Perhaps if we ignore it the monster will go away?
It's not merely population, it's consumption and waste. I = P x C, or impact is proportional to population times consumption. Each are equally important, however while population changes relatively slowly, consumption can change overnight.
What we find is that the poor countries say, "obviously consumption is more important, you rich countries should do something!" and the rich countries say, "obviously population is more important, you poor countries should do something."
So when you say that population is more important, what you're doing is making excuses for not changing. The thing is that we Aussies, as individuals, can do most of - stop flying, get rid of our cars, stop buying new stuff, reduce meat-eating, turn off AC and heating and use fans and jumpers instead, and so on - and thus we halve our consumption in a day. But some Indian woman living in the slums of Mumbai cannot kill 3 of her 6 kids.
Thus, while population is important, it's hard to change quickly, while consumption can be changed quickly. When dealing with a problem often we'll find that there are a few ways to deal with it - we can choose the slow and difficult way, or the quick and easy way.
We Aussies prefer the slow and difficult way, because that lets us off the hook, we get to say, well, if only those stupid darkies would stop having so many babies! The most sensible course is to take the quick and easy way, and then begin on the slow and difficult one. That is, Westerners ought to begin by halving their consumption and emissions, and then we can address the world's large population.
Diplomatically that's also the most effective solution to problems of resource depletion and climate change. A lot of the international debate about what to do is dominated by a kindergarten game of "you first!" The US says any treaty where China does not reduce emissions is useless, China says why should China reduce emissions when 300 million of its people still live on less than a dollar a day, and the US uses a quarter of the world's oil and refuses to reduce, and so on. Each wants the other to act first.
Because our Western consumption is so wasteful, it's easy for us to act first. There's so much waste we can cut and not at all reduce our quality of life. But largely we spend more time whinging than acting. For example, these little Aussie battlers are four people who live in the same house and drive in four separate cars to the same workplace every work day. All drive real gas guzzlers. They go to "different shifts each morning" but because it's the morning, some of them must be just an hour or so apart, and something could be worked out - one goes to work and the other to a nearby gym or cafe for a bit, etc. They just need to pull their fingers out, use their imaginations a bit and get to it, and could at least halve their fuel use. But they'd rather whinge, and I'm fairly sure they think the high populations of the Third World are a big problem, too. This is depressingly common.
Lastly, the proven solution to high birthrate is rising education, prosperity and a political voice for women. However, for various reasons both we in the West and the males in charge in the Third World are not that keen on rising education, prosperity and a political voice for women in the Third World.
We in the West can halve our consumption and emissions today. It's time to get our shit together in a sock and wire it tight, and do it. As Yoda said, "do or no do, there is no whinge."
Kiashu,there is a Murdoch University Arts website which publishes a quarterly magazine,People and Place.The latest issue has an article on Australia's population which states that it should be pegged at 22 million and that immigration should cease as it is just making the task of urgent change more difficult.I haven't had a chance to read it in it's entirety yet.It comes from their Centre for Population and Urban Research.
Surprisingly the link came from articles today in the Murdoch press - Courier Mail and Herald Sun.
A pleasant surprise to see Newscorp finally getting it,at least a little bit.
In Australia population can be changed quickly as we have not yet got into the extreme zone.
We need a near complete cessation of immigration.I think about 10,000/annum(total,not net)would do.
Lunatic welfare for breeders,like the Baby Bonus,should be scrapped.
We could set an example for other countries in this regard as well as the actions that you mention.
I agree with most of what you say however I am not in the whinger cohort just because I draw attention to a very important issue,among others.
Newscorp traditionally publishes anything which makes Moslems or dark-skinned people look bad, and white Christian middle-classed people look good.
Again, population changes only slowly, and is most reliably kept low by the empowerment, education and prosperity of women; consumption can be changed overnight.
Naturally we in the West are not too keen on changing consumption, we'd much rather all those nasty dark-skinned people stopped having babies. That, we hope, would let us keep on driving our SUVs and eating burgers.
Not all the equipment in an open cut mine can be electrified.Drills,draglines,face shovels - yes
Haul trucks - no.A lot of the hauls are several kilometres.I've seen photographs of old open cast mines in the US which used rail down into the pits.
I can't understand why Orica are importing ammonium nitrate when we have ample natural gas for this.
Probably on the grounds of cost but it would not be making our balance of payments look any healthier.Classic case of deregulation working contrary to the interests of the nation.
Boof,I wish you were right about the resources boom but I can only see this ending when the markets collapse,at least in part.Sad about our "fearless leaders'" short term thinking.
It is interesting to see the change which has become apparent in some of the MSM in the last few months.A few degrees more consciousness about the coming energy crisis but still not connecting in any meaningful way with global warming.Nothing at all about the monster at the bottom of these problems - population and immigration.Perhaps if we ignore it the monster will go away?
It's not merely population, it's consumption and waste. I = P x C, or impact is proportional to population times consumption. Each are equally important, however while population changes relatively slowly, consumption can change overnight.
What we find is that the poor countries say, "obviously consumption is more important, you rich countries should do something!" and the rich countries say, "obviously population is more important, you poor countries should do something."
So when you say that population is more important, what you're doing is making excuses for not changing. The thing is that we Aussies, as individuals, can do most of - stop flying, get rid of our cars, stop buying new stuff, reduce meat-eating, turn off AC and heating and use fans and jumpers instead, and so on - and thus we halve our consumption in a day. But some Indian woman living in the slums of Mumbai cannot kill 3 of her 6 kids.
Thus, while population is important, it's hard to change quickly, while consumption can be changed quickly. When dealing with a problem often we'll find that there are a few ways to deal with it - we can choose the slow and difficult way, or the quick and easy way.
We Aussies prefer the slow and difficult way, because that lets us off the hook, we get to say, well, if only those stupid darkies would stop having so many babies! The most sensible course is to take the quick and easy way, and then begin on the slow and difficult one. That is, Westerners ought to begin by halving their consumption and emissions, and then we can address the world's large population.
Diplomatically that's also the most effective solution to problems of resource depletion and climate change. A lot of the international debate about what to do is dominated by a kindergarten game of "you first!" The US says any treaty where China does not reduce emissions is useless, China says why should China reduce emissions when 300 million of its people still live on less than a dollar a day, and the US uses a quarter of the world's oil and refuses to reduce, and so on. Each wants the other to act first.
Because our Western consumption is so wasteful, it's easy for us to act first. There's so much waste we can cut and not at all reduce our quality of life. But largely we spend more time whinging than acting. For example, these little Aussie battlers are four people who live in the same house and drive in four separate cars to the same workplace every work day. All drive real gas guzzlers. They go to "different shifts each morning" but because it's the morning, some of them must be just an hour or so apart, and something could be worked out - one goes to work and the other to a nearby gym or cafe for a bit, etc. They just need to pull their fingers out, use their imaginations a bit and get to it, and could at least halve their fuel use. But they'd rather whinge, and I'm fairly sure they think the high populations of the Third World are a big problem, too. This is depressingly common.
Lastly, the proven solution to high birthrate is rising education, prosperity and a political voice for women. However, for various reasons both we in the West and the males in charge in the Third World are not that keen on rising education, prosperity and a political voice for women in the Third World.
We in the West can halve our consumption and emissions today. It's time to get our shit together in a sock and wire it tight, and do it. As Yoda said, "do or no do, there is no whinge."
Kiashu,there is a Murdoch University Arts website which publishes a quarterly magazine,People and Place.The latest issue has an article on Australia's population which states that it should be pegged at 22 million and that immigration should cease as it is just making the task of urgent change more difficult.I haven't had a chance to read it in it's entirety yet.It comes from their Centre for Population and Urban Research.
Surprisingly the link came from articles today in the Murdoch press - Courier Mail and Herald Sun.
A pleasant surprise to see Newscorp finally getting it,at least a little bit.
In Australia population can be changed quickly as we have not yet got into the extreme zone.
We need a near complete cessation of immigration.I think about 10,000/annum(total,not net)would do.
Lunatic welfare for breeders,like the Baby Bonus,should be scrapped.
We could set an example for other countries in this regard as well as the actions that you mention.
I agree with most of what you say however I am not in the whinger cohort just because I draw attention to a very important issue,among others.
Well, bully for Murdoch Uni. So what?
Newscorp traditionally publishes anything which makes Moslems or dark-skinned people look bad, and white Christian middle-classed people look good.
Again, population changes only slowly, and is most reliably kept low by the empowerment, education and prosperity of women; consumption can be changed overnight.
Naturally we in the West are not too keen on changing consumption, we'd much rather all those nasty dark-skinned people stopped having babies. That, we hope, would let us keep on driving our SUVs and eating burgers.