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How is this not particularly sinister?
Why I think it sinister and worth a mention. (aside from the usual po-faced green stuff): State – Creep from all angles :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-485336/Schools-warn-Gore-climate...
Al Gore's film An Inconvenient Truth has been called unfit for schools because it is politically biased and contains serious scientific inaccuracies and 'sentimental mush'.
Schools will have to issue a warning before they show pupils Al Gore's controversial film about global warming, a judge indicated yesterday.
The move follows a High Court action by a father who accused the Government of 'brainwashing' children with propaganda by showing it in the classroom.
Stewart Dimmock said the former U.S. Vice-President's documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, is unfit for schools because it is politically biased and contains serious scientific inaccuracies and 'sentimental mush'.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/mick_hume/article420...
No, I won't have children telling me what to eat
Our offspring are becoming the footsoldiers of the re-education crusade
Mick Hume
Once upon a time, not so long ago, parents were supposed to educate children in the ways of the world. But the Government appears to have turned that arrangement on its head. Now it is deemed the job of children to teach parents right from wrong.
Our children are apparently being educated as self-righteous foot soldiers in a crusade to re-educate us in the official doctrine of “Healthy Living, Whether You Like It Or Not”. The innate tendency towards sanctimoniousness and zealotry among youngsters who see things in fairytale black-and-white terms (“five veg a day good, one fag a day bad”) makes them natural narks.
Amid all the talk of liberties and fears of an “Orwellian” state, these trends rarely get a mention. Yet there is a long history of authoritarian regimes using children to do their dirty work. The official “child heroes” of George Orwell's 1984 were members of jolly groups such as The Spies,
>>It was almost normal for people over thirty to be frightened of their own children. And with good reason, for hardly a week passed in which the Times did not carry a paragraph describing how some eavesdropping little sneak — ‘child hero’ was the phrase generally used — had overheard some compromising remark and denounced its parents to the Thought Police.<<
- George Orwell, 1984
Thanks for putting that in black-and-white terms for me, i totally get it now!
I only mean the "green kids" thing is not particularly sinister. They seem to be playing games aimed at decreasing energy consumption, and there isn't (so far) any consequence for turning in uncooperative adults.
Turning mum and dad in? That comes next....
No, my point is that here in the UK school children are been propagandised in institutions that should teach knowledge and critical thought.
Propagandised learning is increasingly the case.
Things have changed and not always for the best. Now kids get Gores video with drowning Polar bears (awwww!)
Where once we were required to understand dry and saturated adiabatic lapse rates
ROFLMAO
Public schools are the marketing department for society the way it currently is. Ivan Illich in Deschooling Society.
http://www.amazon.com/Deschooling-Society-Open-Forum-Illich/dp/0714508799
Ivan Illich is dead, and things have gotten a lot worse since then.
Why are kids so fat? Ask who runs the lunchrooms now, and what happened to the drinking fountains.
MUDLOGGER,
A little paranoia is helpful...it seems as though you have gone a ways past "a little".
And as to:
Are you suggesting that propagandized education is new, or exclusively a fault of the Left and the Enviros? It seem to me that public education always includes indoctrination. That is why states require it. For that matter, private and parochial education likewise include indoctrination.
It has been my observation that publicly funded education, in the US at least, is more about teaching obedience than about educating children.
No, I am not. The Right, and esp the Religious right are just as guilty of propaganda in the public school system.
In short, schools should be kept away from both sides.
But then I suppose kids would make up there own minds...
Both right and left worked out years ago that an ignorant and fearful populace is easier to control than a confident and educated populace.
Hence the dumbing down.
That's kind of a stupid attitude.
Lets apply the same standard to past debates.
Should we present both sides of the slavery debate to children and let them decide for them selves?
No, of course not. Schools are there to teach children. And we generally try to refrain from teaching stupid crap, like slavery or flat earth or what not.
Or anything else YOU decide is "stupid crap" right?
Slavery was not debated when I was in school, but it was debated whether or not slavery was the only or principle cause for the Civil War. We all went in with the idea that it was, I even chose this side because I KNEW I was on the winning side. After much research and debate I found that I was wrong. That was in 7th grade for me.
My son was in 11th grade last year. He NEVER heard there was any other reason for the civil war. I wouldn't care if he came to that conclusion himself, but I am disgraced that our country no longer teaches the kids to think for themselves. They are taught the answers to a test they will take at the end of the week, semester, year, or whatever and that is IT. Don't think just write down the answer we told you on Tuesday when you take the test on Friday and you will pass.
PS After all that research, reading, seeing the war from the south's side etc. I still wasn't lead to believe slavery was right. Should North Carolina have been allowed to secede from the union? I guess not, because as the US has shown ever since, might makes right.
"We report. You decide."
Good point, it is very interesting to watch the reaction of these teenagers in response to an explanation about evolution, in their science class given by Richard Dawkins. If this is not an example of the product of intense brainwashing then I do not know what is.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4471435322910215458