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I suspect that it might take more than "a little reading" to catch up on all that is known or that is reliably conjectured about human cognition. And it seems if we want to explain how people respond (or not) to PO we would have to invoke the behaviors of social groups and the influence of culture, politics, and emotion rather than about how brains work. How brains work is important to understanding individuals, but the problem with our inability to do anything about PO is primarily cultural and social in origin. And groups of people behave very differently than individuals, as evidenced by:
I, too, have trouble thinking about the modern "morality" of business and its apologist, economics.
At any rate, I would guess that some of the conclusions that can be made about "our inability to plan" may involve stories about our culture more than about our fundamental properties as humans. But perhaps the actual origin of the behavior doesn't matter after all, because the culture I'm living in really doesn't seem at all interested in planning for the future. Unless something changes really soon, the reason for our not changing until it's too late is going to be of no practical interest.
Science Ed Guy,
With due respect, I submit that this argument is wrong headed.
The human brain is composed of many cognating centers rather than just one. To think of it as a massively parallel computing machine would be wrong because the brain is not "intelligently designed". However, modeling the brain as a MIMD machine might be a good first, although crude step.
The different parts of the brain argue with each other just like people in our society argue and have conflicts. Have you ever been of two minds about a certain topic? If yes, how could that be? Don't argue with yourself too much about it.
The human brain has emotion driven centers (i.e. the limbic layer) and this is why "emotional" arguments work in our society. You cannot separate how the individual brain works from how and why our societies function as they do.
The battle outside starts with the battle within.
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We are not who we think we are. That's just a false although convenient model.