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How about a "positive spin" on this. The NorthWest, and Canada have a Huge problem with pine-beetles. I've read where something like 2, or 3% of the pine up there are infected. It's too expensive to pay someone to go in and trim out the infected trees; but, it might be possible to get them excised if they can be made into bio-oil, or ethanol.
Just a thought.
Sure, if you can run all the road-building equipment, the chain saws, the skidders, the helicopters, the logging trucks and all the workers' transportation on your own ethanol, and still have enough left over to sell and make money.
Otherwise you're just wasting more oil to cut down trees and ship them far away in a wasteful fashion. They'd be better off rotting in place to help grow future trees.
As noted in my post below...
British Columbia already harvests the timber equivalent of 33,000,000 Douglas firs annually. This figure is less than 1% of the provincial resource base and a tiny fraction of the beetle-infested timber that surrounds the under-utilized infrastructure already in place.
The BC and Quebec governments are transitioning both the infrastructure and resource base away from traditional pulp-paper and construction industry support programs (i.e. US housing) to Bioenergy initiatives.
That said, Robert's Douglas fir analogy, albeit effective, is misleading.
Coskata Michigan is certainly not going to be harvesting Douglas fir but rather (in a perfect world) organically grown, nitrogenous fixing perennial Dedicated Energy Crops (DECs) such as hemp - a plant that maintains a higher biomass/btu ratio, higher biomass/acre ratio, not to mention an easier and more frequent harvesting profile.
That said, Robert's Douglas fir analogy, albeit effective, is misleading.
It is simply designed to give someone a feel for the amount of biomass required. If I said "a million hemp plants" that would have been completely meaningless to most people.
...a plant that maintains a higher biomass/btu ratio, higher biomass/acre ratio...
Numbers?
Fair enough.
My btu assertion is based on your ballpark usage of 12.5MMbtu/ton as opposed to the 15-17MMbtu/ton that a DEC would support.
And as for the latter assertion. You're looking at 10-30tons/acre for Douglas fir vs. 10-15tons/acre for a DEC.
But you and I both know that while the DEC acreage can be harvested annually, the same cannot be said for a stand of Douglas fir.
don't forget the beetles. They could be profitably converted into bio-diesel in a suitably engineered plant. Vinod Kholsa, are you listening?
My car runs on beetle juice.
As far as I am aware, hemp is neither a perennial nor nitrogen fixing.
Miscanthus rather, not hemp.
They'd be better off rotting in place to help grow future trees.
As someone who's had to deal with them, if you leave them as you are suggesting, they spread to other trees.
Thus the normal method is to remove the infested trees in the cold weather and 'process' the trees.