I've had one of those things disintegrate while I was trying to remove it. There were kids nearby. The later discovery of how much mercury we all got was very unpleasant.
This leads me to a general point. Somehow the left can't understand why people find them annoying. Yet the end of ordinary light bulbs truly symbolizes it. You just can't avoid the feeling that the left are dying for any excuse to boss everyone around. When the left has a real message it just gets completely lost because it seems to be yet another reason why we all have to do what they say. I certainly remember when we were all told we had to change our lifestyle because we were using too much of the planets resources. Then, without pausing for breath, we had to change our lifestyle because of global warming: and biofuels were a good idea. Say what!
General principle: If you think something should happen, but you can't get it to happen by getting the price signal right (and making sure people actually experience the price signal), then you're WRONG. Micromanaging people's lives is a way to make people turn against you, even if there is a real problem that needs to be solved.
...Fluorescent light bulbs contain a very small amount of mercury sealed within the glass tubing. EPA recommends the following clean-up and disposal below. Please also read the information on this page about what never to do with a mercury spill.
Before Clean-up: Air Out the Room
* Have people and pets leave the room, and don't let anyone walk through the breakage area on their way out.
* Open a window and leave the room for 15 minutes or more.
* Shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system, if you have one.
Clean-Up Steps for Hard Surfaces
* Carefully scoop up glass pieces and powder using stiff paper or cardboard and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
* Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and powder.
* Wipe the area clean with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes. Place towels in the glass jar or plastic bag.
* Do not use a vacuum or broom to clean up the broken bulb on hard surfaces.
Clean-up Steps for Carpeting or Rug
* Carefully pick up glass fragments and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
* Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and powder.
* If vacuuming is needed after all visible materials are removed, vacuum the area where the bulb was broken.
* Remove the vacuum bag (or empty and wipe the canister), and put the bag or vacuum debris in a sealed plastic bag.
Clean-up Steps for Clothing, Bedding and Other Soft Materials
* If clothing or bedding materials come in direct contact with broken glass or mercury-containing powder from inside the bulb that may stick to the fabric, the clothing or bedding should be thrown away. Do not wash such clothing or bedding because mercury fragments in the clothing may contaminate the machine and/or pollute sewage.
* You can, however, wash clothing or other materials that have been exposed to the mercury vapor from a broken CFL, such as the clothing you are wearing when you cleaned up the broken CFL, as long as that clothing has not come into direct contact with the materials from the broken bulb.
* If shoes come into direct contact with broken glass or mercury-containing powder from the bulb, wipe them off with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes. Place the towels or wipes in a glass jar or plastic bag for disposal.
Disposal of Clean-up Materials
* Immediately place all clean-up materials outdoors in a trash container or protected area for the next normal trash pickup.
* Wash your hands after disposing of the jars or plastic bags containing clean-up materials.
* Check with your local or state government about disposal requirements in your specific area. Some states do not allow such trash disposal. Instead, they require that broken and unbroken mercury-containing bulbs be taken to a local recycling center.
Future Cleaning of Carpeting or Rug: Air Out the Room During and After Vacuuming
* The next several times you vacuum, shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system and open a window before vacuuming.
* Keep the central heating/air conditioning system shut off and the window open for at least 15 minutes after vacuuming is completed.
Two points: (1) Yes it is right, so if people still want to use old fashioned bulbs for safety they should be allowed to. (2) However the big problem with electricity and natural gas use is that people don't get the price signal on use: yes we get a total bill, but whether an electric bulb is any significant part of that is completely mysterious. The days when energy was too cheap to meter (in detail) are passing. The government's legit job is to make sure people get price signals.
Which reminds me of another story. When it was suggested in Britain that people get feedback on the costs of heating, this was strongly opposed by people saying "The elderly will turn their heating off and freeze to death when they see the cost ticking up." Information is not allowed because people behave more rationally in ignorance! Do you get the feeling that some people feel threatened by a world where people respond to price signals instead of to rules and regulations.
P.S. Isn't it annoying that we have to say "natural gas" instead of "gas" because the Americans call petrol "gas". Maybe I'm just in a mood to be annoyed by anything.
I'm not so sure that your British story isn't just an urban (political) myth, but I do agree that people and organisations should be provide with more / better information about their energy usage and its cost.
I'm hoping to have a post on smart meters and smart grids up in the next month so we can talk about the issue further then.
Regarding tungsten filament museum pieces, I still have a couple (and a lot of halogen downlights) but I remain unrepentant as I'm on 100% green power and have chosen to eliminate my carbon emissions that way. There is (as a ageneral rule) more than one way to solve each problem and mandating solutions usually isn't the best way of going about it.
I do apologize for our sloppy use of the English language. Perhaps you can get the other kiwis to start using "NG" like I do.
On a more serious note. Regarding that ban on oil shale mining, has it been done via strip mining? Any sense of the efficiency of such efforts? As you may know, we also have many billions of bbls of "potential" oil in our Colorado oil shales. But given the environmental damage and lack of water resources they are off the table so far.
This isn't a disease that the left alone suffers - authoritarian conservative nitwits are just as bad as their left wing equivalents - they just have a different set of fetishes to make rules about and use as an excuse to boss people around (which the whole "war on terror" scam has demonstrated pretty comprehensively).
Al Gore is usually considered "left" wing (admittedly this is something your average anarchist or socialist might find laughable) and he has proposed that the best way to solve global warming is to impose carbon taxes and then give the money back in cuts to other taxes. That seems like the best way of sending a market signal that everyone gets - yet right wingers often oppose this in favour of heaily regulated cap and trade schemes...
I still don't gethow taxing me on one hand but then giving back the money to compensate me for the tax take is going to do anything!The carbon tax is supposed to make you use less of the stuff which means the price needs to increase realtive to the means by which it is purchased. Ohterwise its just a Polish Blanket trick.
The point is to make fossil fuel derived energy more expensive (preferably more expensive than clean alternatives) and thus encourage you to substitute for alternatives or become more efficient in your energy use - not to make you poorer.
If your power bill goes up by 20%, and the source shifts to solar and wind to replace coal, but you are compensated with a 5% tax cut, you end up no better or worse off - but your carbon emissions (and vulnerability to fossil fuel depletion) goes away - thats why it's the right solution.
Before ranting proper... I would like to point out that NZ has much laxer, or looked at another way, more "liberal" rules governing DIY house wiring. Unlike OZ where all work must be done by a qualified electrician. This might potentially be a factor.
If you followed the stringent US EPA guidelines above, unless you actually stuck your nose in the tube pieces and inhaled deeply, your exposure to the ~5mg of Hg is very very small.
Never mind that these and other guidelines are also written by those nanny state lefties! God damn them , not only are these goody goodies trying to minimise the overall load of Hg to the environment, the largest being due to coal fired power stations, ~10 % of the power from which has to light those tungsten filament museum pieces; But God Damn if they aren't also trying to save us in the event of a tube breakage! Will their incessant nannyness never cease in their quest to deny me the freedom to pollute the environment and hurt myself!
The issue is either that the policy has not had a good public education program... OR some people have failed to take it in and properly educate themselves; preferring instead to see some left wing conspiracy. Curiously the motivation for this particular conspiracy is "to boss people around"... not money... not power... just... bossines. Interesting motivation.
Will their incessant nannyness never cease in their quest to deny me the freedom to pollute the environment and hurt myself!
Well, generally people are in favour of the pollution being in someone else's backyard, or everyone's equally, rather than their own. This is why for example we have lots of people promoting electric cars yet not saying anything against coal-fired power stations. That the emissions will just be moved from tailpipe to smokestack is fine by them. Likewise, with mercury from coal-fired stations as against mercury from CFL.
Pollution is alright, so long as some other bugger cops it, not me. You can't make me responsible for my own emissions, that's communism or something.
Re: More reports of exploding energy bulbs
I've had one of those things disintegrate while I was trying to remove it. There were kids nearby. The later discovery of how much mercury we all got was very unpleasant.
This leads me to a general point. Somehow the left can't understand why people find them annoying. Yet the end of ordinary light bulbs truly symbolizes it. You just can't avoid the feeling that the left are dying for any excuse to boss everyone around. When the left has a real message it just gets completely lost because it seems to be yet another reason why we all have to do what they say. I certainly remember when we were all told we had to change our lifestyle because we were using too much of the planets resources. Then, without pausing for breath, we had to change our lifestyle because of global warming: and biofuels were a good idea. Say what!
General principle: If you think something should happen, but you can't get it to happen by getting the price signal right (and making sure people actually experience the price signal), then you're WRONG. Micromanaging people's lives is a way to make people turn against you, even if there is a real problem that needs to be solved.
Robert,
I'll respectfully disagree and say that the price signal is right, because the overall cost (bulbs + electricity) of your lighting is greatly reduced.
However, your mention of accidental breakage did make me curious about the correct disposal of Compact Fluorescent Lights (CFLs).
From the US EPA
So, nothing to worry about then!
;-)
Two points: (1) Yes it is right, so if people still want to use old fashioned bulbs for safety they should be allowed to. (2) However the big problem with electricity and natural gas use is that people don't get the price signal on use: yes we get a total bill, but whether an electric bulb is any significant part of that is completely mysterious. The days when energy was too cheap to meter (in detail) are passing. The government's legit job is to make sure people get price signals.
Which reminds me of another story. When it was suggested in Britain that people get feedback on the costs of heating, this was strongly opposed by people saying "The elderly will turn their heating off and freeze to death when they see the cost ticking up." Information is not allowed because people behave more rationally in ignorance! Do you get the feeling that some people feel threatened by a world where people respond to price signals instead of to rules and regulations.
P.S. Isn't it annoying that we have to say "natural gas" instead of "gas" because the Americans call petrol "gas". Maybe I'm just in a mood to be annoyed by anything.
I'm not so sure that your British story isn't just an urban (political) myth, but I do agree that people and organisations should be provide with more / better information about their energy usage and its cost.
I'm hoping to have a post on smart meters and smart grids up in the next month so we can talk about the issue further then.
Regarding tungsten filament museum pieces, I still have a couple (and a lot of halogen downlights) but I remain unrepentant as I'm on 100% green power and have chosen to eliminate my carbon emissions that way. There is (as a ageneral rule) more than one way to solve each problem and mandating solutions usually isn't the best way of going about it.
Robert,
I do apologize for our sloppy use of the English language. Perhaps you can get the other kiwis to start using "NG" like I do.
On a more serious note. Regarding that ban on oil shale mining, has it been done via strip mining? Any sense of the efficiency of such efforts? As you may know, we also have many billions of bbls of "potential" oil in our Colorado oil shales. But given the environmental damage and lack of water resources they are off the table so far.
Re: micromanging rule makers.
This isn't a disease that the left alone suffers - authoritarian conservative nitwits are just as bad as their left wing equivalents - they just have a different set of fetishes to make rules about and use as an excuse to boss people around (which the whole "war on terror" scam has demonstrated pretty comprehensively).
Al Gore is usually considered "left" wing (admittedly this is something your average anarchist or socialist might find laughable) and he has proposed that the best way to solve global warming is to impose carbon taxes and then give the money back in cuts to other taxes. That seems like the best way of sending a market signal that everyone gets - yet right wingers often oppose this in favour of heaily regulated cap and trade schemes...
I still don't gethow taxing me on one hand but then giving back the money to compensate me for the tax take is going to do anything!The carbon tax is supposed to make you use less of the stuff which means the price needs to increase realtive to the means by which it is purchased. Ohterwise its just a Polish Blanket trick.
The point is to make fossil fuel derived energy more expensive (preferably more expensive than clean alternatives) and thus encourage you to substitute for alternatives or become more efficient in your energy use - not to make you poorer.
If your power bill goes up by 20%, and the source shifts to solar and wind to replace coal, but you are compensated with a 5% tax cut, you end up no better or worse off - but your carbon emissions (and vulnerability to fossil fuel depletion) goes away - thats why it's the right solution.
Before ranting proper... I would like to point out that NZ has much laxer, or looked at another way, more "liberal" rules governing DIY house wiring. Unlike OZ where all work must be done by a qualified electrician. This might potentially be a factor.
If you followed the stringent US EPA guidelines above, unless you actually stuck your nose in the tube pieces and inhaled deeply, your exposure to the ~5mg of Hg is very very small.
Never mind that these and other guidelines are also written by those nanny state lefties! God damn them , not only are these goody goodies trying to minimise the overall load of Hg to the environment, the largest being due to coal fired power stations, ~10 % of the power from which has to light those tungsten filament museum pieces; But God Damn if they aren't also trying to save us in the event of a tube breakage! Will their incessant nannyness never cease in their quest to deny me the freedom to pollute the environment and hurt myself!
The issue is either that the policy has not had a good public education program... OR some people have failed to take it in and properly educate themselves; preferring instead to see some left wing conspiracy. Curiously the motivation for this particular conspiracy is "to boss people around"... not money... not power... just... bossines. Interesting motivation.
Well, generally people are in favour of the pollution being in someone else's backyard, or everyone's equally, rather than their own. This is why for example we have lots of people promoting electric cars yet not saying anything against coal-fired power stations. That the emissions will just be moved from tailpipe to smokestack is fine by them. Likewise, with mercury from coal-fired stations as against mercury from CFL.
Pollution is alright, so long as some other bugger cops it, not me. You can't make me responsible for my own emissions, that's communism or something.