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I see that China is going to develop an oil field in Iraq. It seems that the Saddam-era contracts will be honored by the Iraqi government.
So much for the theory that we went in for the oil.
You have a very fitting nick. Just how does one oil field change anything.
I'm still waiting to see the details of the deal. The initial report shows that China will be doing the work for a fee only. They get paid $6 per bbl of oil produced. The report didn't say anything about China earning any interest in the oil. I suspect there's more to it then that. China's oil industry isn't geared towards being a service company. Even if China doesn't earn any of the produced oil I suspect they are doing it on some sort of an option or right of first refusal basis. In other words, Iraq can sell the oil on the global market but China has the right to meet the price and buy the oil before any other buyer. For at least the last 10 years China has been focused as much on securing access to oil as buying into existing production.
China sends money to Iraq.
Iraq spends money on US military items.
But the real answer is that we don't have to own the Iraqi oil or even force its sale to the US for the US to benefit. By conquering Iraq and allowing its oil to flow into the global market, oil prices are reduced for the whole global hegemony. That's the benefit of defending and maintaining a global market.
The oil was flowing into the global market from Saddam's Iraq just fine before we "conquered" it. The flow has been reduced since. That has been one of the reasons for the recent run up in prices (and the instability resulting from the "conquering").
As long as Saddam's hand was on the tap, the supply was not assured. While there have certainly been supply problems post-invasion, I believe that production rates are back to pre-invasion levels (plus we now have more control over the tap).
Yes! God knows he just hated profligate spending on palaces and such and was constantly shutting down production! Unlike those silly Westerners who never imposed any sanctions or limits on oil export!!!
/s
Frick...
Edit: .... perhaps I should be posting under a pseudonym. :~
No Guts, No Glory.
If you won't sign your name, how can you be taken seriously?
Besides, do you really think that you can hide from TPTB?
E. Swanson
We could've bought all the oil in Iraq for less money than we've spent on the invasion, conquest and occupation of that nation. Not to mention the lives that were lost or damaged.
The United States did not take over any Iraqi oil. Non-Islamic people were those who have suffered much at the hands of the Jihadis. They have been beheaded, kidnapped, robbed, forced to pay extra Islamic taxes, and driven from their homes to this day. The American forces were not able to prevent what happened after the uprooting of Sadaam's secular government and the rise of the Islamicists in Iraq. By one estimate given by a Christian leader from Baghdad, three-quarters of the Christians who once lived in Iraq have been killed, forced to convert to Islam, or driven out of their towns. I was saddened by American leaders proclaiming peace in Iraq after the surge while there is yet severe oppression and lack of freedom of religion that is prevalent in Islamic society.
I rechecked recent reports from Iraq. The part about recent beheadings cannot be confirmed. Christians were targeted by kidnappers demanding money. They are being driven out of their homes and communities. They were being forced to pay a tax imposed by decree of the Koran on non-Islamic peoples. Some were given the choice of converting to Islam or death. I would presume local Islamic gangs that gained control after the invasion were to blame. Many Christians have exhausted their savings and are suffering violence and poverty. Many have fled. The freedoms promised to the Iraqi people by the Bush administration have not been realized. No victory is proclaimed.
You need to read more
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/20906
The strength of the dollar?
The dollar has not been able to return to prewar strength.
It's not a theory. We destroyed the country and engendered so much hatred among the people that no legitimate leader could obey us and survive, and we finally are so weakened that we must accept that, bit by bit. Our compensation for letting Maliki destroy Cheney's PNAC oil strategy is that we avoid more mass uprisings that would bring US casualties back to 2005 levels so we can claim we're "winning". Which could make the difference in the election.
We've lost. Our leaders can't even explain what victory means.
Victory is a Starbucks on every street corner.
Then we lost Australia.
And New Orleans.
We have eleven coffee chops on Magazine Street. One is a Starbucks,
Quite humorous ad by local chain with animated coffee cups getting off plane from Seattle, cold and stale, bewildered at the concept of chicory, while PJs (or CCs) has coffee roasted locally and delivered daily for a fresh cup.
Best Hopes for our indigenous coffee culture and coffee roasting industry,
Alan
GWB is just too incompetent to control what he invaded and conquered.
BTW: See the military's (Joint Chiefs) view of Iraq War policy.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/07/AR200809...
Alan
I've never been particularly of the view that oil was a primary reason for the US push into Iraq, but if it had been, one possible reason why the US didn't get expected very favourable oil treatment was that the neocon's desired new president of Iraq
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Chalabi
both fell out of favour with the neocons and achieved a much lesser position in the Iraqi government. When your crony doesn't get appointed most of your future plans fall apart.
So when Bush said "We must protect Americas intrests
in Iraq" he was talking about (A) sand? (B) Israel?
Since sand isnt of much value, at least if theres no oil under it. And Israel is LESS safe now because of the inability of the Bush admins to extricate themselves from the quagmire of Iraq...I say it was (D)Strategy
not just Iraqs oil....but military strategic placement
of military bases in a geograghicly strategic location
such as IRAQ! for control of middle eastern oil in total.
I sense you dont think strategically