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MUDLOGGER on September 10, 2008 - 8:47am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

ccpo.

Try getting your facts right.

The major wheat growing areas of the UK are in the South East.

There were plenty of predictions that 'AGW' was going to creat a dry desert with Chad-Like conditions. in the South East of England.

This was based on a couple of hot summers in the early 2000's , most notably the same summer that did all the French Pensioners in.

The call from the warmists then was 'see - look - global warming equals desertification of England!'

People were advised to restock gardens with plants more suitable to the southern mediterranean littoral (mostly by plant salesmen...)

Now of course, the Warmists are saying 'see - look: all this rain is due to global warming'

This rapid about face is why Warmism is increasingly regarded as a religion for hysterics.

I await my trial for crimes against humanity while shivering in yet another cool damp September...

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Black_Dog on September 10, 2008 - 10:20am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Perhaps your confusion is the result of your lack of study of the problems which might result from AGW. For example, if the THC weakens (or, worse, shuts down) one result would be cooler conditions for Northern Europe. Don't forget that the flow of warm water which branches toward the north from the Gulf Stream is what keeps Britain warmer than areas at similar latitude along the Pacific Coast of North America. London is at about 51.5N, which is farther north than Vancover Island, BC and Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Consider what happened during the Younger Dryas period...

E. Swanson

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MUDLOGGER on September 10, 2008 - 10:59am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I am fairly confident in GW.

I am sceptical regarding AGW.

I am not confused about GW at all

Perhaps you should address the Warmists who change their story from year to year (depending upon the weather situation from year to year!).

One year its a desert (with fanciful maps)

Next year its Noahs floods.

Perhaps that is why they retreat from the moniker GW and now use Climate Change :-)

'cos it changes...

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Black_Dog on September 10, 2008 - 3:50pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

At the risk of whipping a brain dead horse...

If your understanding of the science does not include what happens as the result of our changes to the optical properties of the atmosphere, well, I would think you wouldn't understand AGW. As for the local impacts, they will vary due to the different distribution of energy as the solar energy flows thru the climate system and back out to deep space.

Short term variation is weather, changes in long term trends are climate. One year does not make a trend. Try 10, 20, or 30 years.

E. Swanson

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weatherman on September 10, 2008 - 4:41pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

It would help if the climate observed bore any relation to climate models. Instead they have been the exact opposite. As Mudslogger said claiming opposing conditions as evidence of AGW is damaging the credibility of it's claiments.

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MUDLOGGER on September 10, 2008 - 4:59pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Cant you read?

Take up that same argument in your last sentence with the warmists!

They are the ones trying to freak everybody out with predictive pronouncements based on weather events

I know the difference between weather and climate. You need to try and explain that to the AGWarmists who take a couple of years of weather (when it suits them of course) and extrapolate climate 'science'.

You just dont get it do you?

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Black_Dog on September 10, 2008 - 9:15pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Sorry to say, after more than 30 years of study, I DO think I get it.

AGW can cause different changes in different locations. Taking a couple of years of "weather" is not the same as taking several decades of satellite "temperature" data, oceanographic temperature measurements or measuring the daily sea-ice extent since 1979. And, there are other examples of changes seen in the environment which are consistent with AGW, but I doubt you would care to think about it with an open mind. For example, has MUDLOGGER read even 1 of the (now 4) IPCC WG 1 reports? Does MUDLOGGER think his lack of a reply to my comments about atmospheric optics or the the Younger Dryas is acceptable? Is MUDLOGGER only playing politics by repeating the disinformation spread by the petroleum industry shills?

Of course, I do find it rather significant that Weatherman and MUDLOGGER posted replies within 8 minutes of each other at 4:41 and 4:59 PM USEST , long after the thread had been superceded with today's DrumBeat.

E. Swanson

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MUDLOGGER on September 11, 2008 - 7:56am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

As an expert then (and me only a mere earth scientist, oil company shill and evil troll)

Please tell me all about the Mann Hockey Stick

Please tell me why the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice age were smoothed out between 1990 and Mann.

You still failed to recognise that Warmists use hot dry summers as 'evidence' and then a few years later cold wet summers as 'evidence'

Your lsast para is of no significance. But then as a warmist I am sure you can read an evil and coordinated plot into it.

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