Sorry Gazza but your article has really brassed me off.

The implication is a need for massive investment in renewable energy, energy efficiency and sustainable transport. But how to fund such investment without sacrificing our economy, jobs or lifestyles?

I am always confused that this is even a question.

When they cut a coal mine, or build a coal-fired station, we are told it will boost our economy, create jobs, and thus improve our lifestyles. But for some reason if we build a wind turbine factory, or build a solar thermal plant, it will depress our economy, lose jobs and ruin our lifestyles.

Either building lots of stuff boosts the economy and creates jobs, or it doesn't - whether the stuff is "green" or not can't affect that.

Likewise, I am confused at the question "how do we fund renewable investment?" We'll fund it the same way we fund non-renewable investment: with public money. The dirtiest coal-fired station, the widest highway, these all require public funds. Why should tidal power plants and railways be any different?

It seems that we have double standards. It's not enough that renewables and mass transit are cleaner and more energy-efficient than the stuff we already have: they have to fund themselves, too.

"We want to build some wind turbines."
"Oh my god? Are you asking the public for money? LET THE MARKET DECIDE!"
"We'd like to dig a bloody great hole in the ground, dig out hundreds of millions of tonnes of coal and burn it."
"Here, have $1,000,000,000."

Let's have some consistent standards here.

It would also avoid the angst associated with other countries “free loading” on Australia’s efforts to combat climate change.

Free-loading? I think the words you were looking for are "export opportunities for Australia." One-third of all land-based wind turbines in the world are produced in Denmark. It makes the country billions. But inventing things, manufacturing them for export, employing people and making lots of money? That's not the Aussie way!

For example, this guy came to Australia, got citizenship, invented a new kind of solar cell which his Aussie employers couldn't be bothered producing; they sold the patents to a German company... who now exports the PV cells to Australia. He returned to China, designed a new solar cell, got $6 million seed money and seven years later owns a $6 billion company producing PV cells.

Will it cost us money and jobs and quality of life to pump up renewable energy? It'll cost us money and jobs and quality of life to not do it.

Once you realise that, then all this stuff about using people's super funds for investment is shown to be so much nonsense. Sorry Gazza.

Kiashu - you are right that the naysayers seem to think that there is something different about creating jobs through mining coal or though building solar cells.

The issue, I think, is that these people have a very simplistic view of what constitutes job-creation. This is because they have always seen the issue through the narrow Australian perspective of commodities rather than manufacturing. Paul Keating got it half right when he said that we were in danger of becoming a banana republic. He should have said coal republic and he would have been spot on.

The arguments of the 'destroying-the-economy' people become stranger still when all they can do is bleat about destroying the aluminium manufacturing industry through an ETS but can't imagine an economy based upon exporting and capitalising on an ETS.

In the space of two years this country has created a world's best practice in water recycling with the Bundamba Advanced Water Treatment Plant at Ipswich Qld. It was the largest plant of its type in the world. At the height of its construction it would have employed close to 1000 people in engineering and construction roles. In operation it will employ 30. Australia also has the Gippsland Water Factory almost finished construction and half a dozen desalination and water recycling plants in the design and construction phases.

We have have essentially become a world leader in renewable water practices. This shouldn't be considered an unusual event as we were perfectly placed to do such a thing as we are the driest habitable continent. Similarly we are the continent with the greatest number of hours of sunshine, we have a stable techtonic plate, and we are surrounded by ocean. As such with our engineering and construction expertise there is no reason that we can't be a leader in solar pv/solar thermal, geothermal and tidal power.

The majority of power stations currently existing in Australia will have to be replaced by 2050. Most of the coal stations will be gone by 2030 as they would have well and truly exceed their design lives and been depreciated down to zero by their financial controllers. there is absolutely no good reason why any of these stations need to be replaced by further polluters.

Is there any difference between "public money" that has been confiscated as tax and "private money" that has been confiscated and placed into superannuation? If you want more "public" investment it means that people have to pay more tax which is always going to politically unpopular.

Not necessarily. The federal government runs a $20 billion or so surplus fairly regularly, and the state governments up to $10 billion each. Let's say half the federal surplus and half as much again from the states, that'd give us $15 billion to play with.

An example emissions reduction budget would be,

- $7.1 billion for building renewables. Australia consumes about 240 billion kWh annually, equivalent to 27GW, so that 1GW annually could make us 100% renewable in 30 years, allowing for a slight increase in population combined with efficiency and thus a decline in per capita use. The 1GW delivered might consist of,

Cost/MW Load factor Cost/MW(del) Cost
Biomass $2 million 75% $2.7M $540M
Geothermal $1.4M 70% $2M $400M
Solar PV $3M 20% $15M $3,000M
Solar thermal $2M 25% $8M $1,600M
Wind $1.8M 23% $7.8M $1,600M
Total $7,100M

You can fiddle with the proportions a bit if you like, add in stuff that isn't commercially proven like wave power, or stuff that nobody really wants like nuclear, but the basic picture remains the same - to build up electricity generation from sources which don't require burning fossil fuels is not a big deal financially at the national level.

The biomass, geothermal and solar thermal would provide 60% of the total, thus a good baseload amount. The cost are the high average of present costs; while renewable proponents often say that when the things are built en masse they'll get cheaper, we can as easily say that higher demand will lead to a rise in price - which is what we've seen for wind turbines in the past few years, and the same appears to be happening with purified silicon for PV. So on balance we can expect it to be around the same.

- $1.9 billion for an extended electrical grid, since the above facilities would likely be distributed widely compared to today's coal-fired stations

- $1 billion for research into better renewables and energy efficiency - say $100 million for each of the above, $100 million for batteries, $100 million for heating and cooling, and so on.

- $3 billion for railways and trams. We currently have 38,500km of lines across the country, about 2,000km of which are in the cities. The world average for urban and suburban railways is about $15 million per kilometre, for tracks, engines, carriages, and stations. It's much cheaper across the countryside but 85% of the population is in the capital cities so let's be pessimistic about the cost.

Those 2,000km of urban railways and tramways take about 10% of all trips (compared to 80% taken by car). Spending $3 billion to add 200km annually and/or improve services would thus let us divert 1% of all trips to trains and trams each year. So that by 2050 we could have 50% of all trips by rail, which measure would take car use from 80% to 40% - halving emissions due to transport (since the trains and trams would be electric powered by the renewables above, they'd be low, though not zero, emissions).

- $2 billion for subsidies for various retrofits of homes and businesses to reduce their energy use. Insulation or something, I dunno. I mean hey, solar hot water systems are only $3,000, you could fit 666,000 homes annually with $2 billion, in twelve years every home would have a system. But probably if you made the biomass systems in the electricity generation system also hot water generators - as the Swedes and Finns already do - then you could forget about the rooftop systems.

So I mean, we already have these big surpluses. Traditionally governments save them up for electorate bribes just before election time, and for unwinnable foreign wars and overpriced military equipment that doesn't work. But we could put them to more productive use. What I outlined up there is just off the top of my head, and using only about a third of all state and federal surpluses. And it'd at least halve our emissions by 2050 even if we continue just digging shit up and selling it overseas as the base for our economy.

But there are heaps of export opportunities. There are about 3 billion people living in poverty who, if given the chance, want to lift themselves out of it. And those people want electricity. As we've seen with China, they'll take electricity any way they can get it - coal, nuclear, hydro, solar, they don't give a damn so long as it gives them electricity. Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Kenya, South Africa, all these places want to follow that.

We could be absolutely raking in cash from that over the next few decades. We've had decades of innovation in PV especially. But all the support goes to coal and mining, and renewables are actively discouraged both at government and corporate level. Stupid.

Kiashu,
Babcock and Brown Wind partners 2008 annual report gives load factors for wind power projects in Australia from 33-47%. Its only European land based farms that have load factors in 20-25% range.

Europe is less windy than Australia? Only in a corporate puff piece.

Basically, what happens is that the first few spots they put wind turbines in are really good, around 40% load factor. But then as those get used up, you start having to use non-ideal sites, and start running in local planning problems, councils and residents and competition with other uses, and the load factor of those is pretty low. So that if wind makes up 10+% of your total electricity sources by kWh, the load factor is 20-25% for the system overall.

Anyway, like I said, you can quibble or fiddle with the figures a bit, but the basic picture remains the same: we can do a hell of a lot with a substantial portion of the federal and state budget surpluses we currently have. We don't need to raise taxes to fund renewables and mass transit and efficiency and so on, our current revenue is more than enough.

I mean, with our current revenue we couldn't covert the whole economy over in a few years, but even with zillions in money we couldn't do that because we'd be limited by technical skills and so on.

We don't need new technology (though it would certainly help), new revenue or anything like that. We just need to make the decision to do it. And we do it by one of two ways: either fund renewables to match fossil fuel funding, or else remove the subsidies for fossil fuels so that renewables get to compete on a level playing field.

I'm in favour of the second way, but apparently the world is full of fricking communist CEOs these days who think it's the public's job to fund everything they do, they shouldn't have to compete on the basis of normal market stuff. I don't really care how it gets done so long as it gets done.