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I went from the ASPO meeting to a college convention here in Seatle since my older daughter is college bound next year. There were 400 colleges with booths at the show. As I watched the sea of seniors and parents I noticed the mining colleges and technical and engineering schools were very sparsely populated by visitors and that the vast majority of college catalogs were emphasizing sustainability but more in the soft sciences of general environmental science. College catalogs are full of green themes and overseas study opportunities with rock climbing and photos of adventure travel. The vast majority of students are looking for a summer camp experience and not interested in the tougher fields of engineering or geology where jobs really will be still around once they graduate.
Well, we will probably need a lot more agricultural workers. Perhaps the law school graduates could form agricultural working groups and discuss the finer points of contact law while they are picking lettuce.
I am amazed at the number of Peak Oil aware parents who assume that there will be cushy white collar "policy making" positions available for their little darlings--while someone else's kids do the real work of trying to provide food and energy supplies.
A quick question or two, then a comment. You state that India has 264 billion tons of estimated reserves. Is this the same as the USGS definition of resources? You also state that they have 102 billion tons of proven reserves. This is 80 years of production at current rates. So in essence, a child born today in India could with some probability outlive the production of coal from proven reserves in that county. You also state that demand is expected to rise pretty rapidly over the next half decade or so. This will decrease the number of years India can mine it's existing reserves prior to depletion.
I realize that as proven reserves are consumed, more and more of the estimated reserves/resources will become economically viable. but the cost and difficulty in production will also continue to rise. If the amount of estimated reserves is accurate, and with increase in demand based on increase in population inevitable, It appears that India has around two lifetimes +/- of coal as an energy resource left. In the course of human history that is a blink of the eye.
Peak oil, a decrease in energy, base and precious metal reserves, and continuing increase in human population and demands. What next?
As always, the years supply is (almost) always given as if there were no change in the consumption rate. It is starting to dawn on some people that the exponential consumption time very quickly shortens the "actual" reserves left if on considers growth.
For example, that 200-250 year US reserve that is often quoted lasts but 80-87 years if you consider a growth rate of ~2.2% per year. Throw in a dramatic coal-to-liquids program and it's easy to demonstrate that the US coal reserves quickly drop to a couple of decades.
Yes, it's all "a blink of the eye" in time.
When one considers that coal will be needed to replace shortfalls in oil and gas, the situation is far worse still.
Resource and reserve calculations for coal are somewhat different to those for oil. You are still constrained in how far from a known (as in mined or drilled) site one can project that the deposit extends out. If it extends out less than a quarter of a mile it can still be called a reserve. Beyond that point it is only an "inferred resource", and that only out for a distance of up to three miles (as my memory recalls). Because coal does not flow like oil or gas, it is much more likely to be in place all the way between two boreholes, than is the likely case if oil and gas are found. Thus the final reserves, as they are proved, may, in fact, be larger than the currently defined resource.
On the other hand the presence of faults, washouts and other geological features can make what might otherwise be a highly desirable site (see Glenrothes in Scotland) uneconomic to mine. Plus I don't know the other constraints on the definition or reserve and resource in India (and these are, I suspect, their numbers not the USGS ones) so these are likely more ballpark than reliable numbers.
I think our high school and college students have the view that oil and coal—but not natural gas—are a distasteful problem. They have been inundated with negative stories about pollution, excessive profits, "running out", and expense. Oil and coal are seen as old fashioned, ugly, dead end, and good riddance power sources. Our students lack a formal energy education and therefore believe that new, sexy, green, and inexpensive technology are the energy future. They want to be part of this future, and who can blame them given our inability to properly educate them.
Many young adults between 16 and 22 can't conceive that it will take a quarter century or more to make a substantial transition from oil and coal to other energy sources. In their minds, the solution is just around the corner so why bother with oil and coal.
I've said it before. If we do not create a new energy course in grades one through twelve, a course that tells our children the truth about energy, a truth that replaces the one minute news channel sound bites and 15 second television adds; we are doomed.
These energy courses are needed not just in the US, they are needed in countries throughout the world. Because global warming and energy use are intertwined, the energy courses should have a global warming component. Energy courses would not be a subset of the science course. They need to be a full course just as we have english, science, history, and math courses.
From this article it is obvious the oil, coal, and natural gas companies have a vested interest in supporting these energy courses. TOD readers, researchers at the forefront of peak energy, those involved in developing new energy sources or expanding the use of renewable energy sources, advocates of changes required to counter global warming, etc., etc., etc., would all support energy courses.
Energy courses are now just as important as math and science courses. Right now, I'm afraid our children are ill prepared to live in the 21st century. It reminds me of the late 60's and 70's when a generation broke away from the norm, tried it their way, and most returned to norm after years of trial and error. I don't want to imply the norm was the best way or that some people did not made an important difference. I'm saying we don't have time to repeat that experiment with this new generation. The stakes were not high back then. They are now.
My son, who is a high school senior, surprised me a few weeks ago when he told me he was going to major in Chemistry next year. I had expected Computer Science. To me, Chemistry is a much more 'real' career than Computer Science, and I have always thought of Chemistry as one of those infinitely evolving fields that will always be in demand.
Any reality injections are welcome.
It seems to me like engineering is becoming more and more concentrated at the massive engineering factories like Texas A&M, Georgia Tech, and the Big 10 schools. I think a lot of the smaller schools don't have the finances to compete.
If you switch your kids major from chemistry to chemical engineering you will double his pay immediately. The starting salaries in oil/gas and power generation are on the rise big time.
Chemistry is indeed a evolving and important career path, in any scenario involving BAU at some level. I have two daughters in college. One in California looking at natural health systems and nutrition, and one at MIT taking Physics and Material science courses. Both a better bet than political science or a wall street job today. I have a friend whose daughter is at harvard and is amazed at the number of feckless seniors at Harvard are concerned that they have prepared for a cushy job on Wall Street and they suddenly don't exist.
I have a degree in Chemistry and program computers for a living. Deciding to go into pure chemistry as and undergraduate was the best decision I ever made. Gaining and understanding of one of the basic sciences is worth its weight in gold. Save the engineering for graduate school four years is barely enough time to pick up a basic grasp of physics, chemistry and mathematics.
With my background I can program computer, work in any number of chemical related industries, work in the medical field as a lab technician. Actually understand agriculture etc etc. People that don't understand chemistry miss a lot about our world and how it works.
As far as Chemistry being in demand thats a tough one generally in the US you really have to go to graduate school to get a job doing chemistry simply because most of the synthetic work is either drug related or about industrial catalysts. Both areas require advanced degrees. Most chemical production has been outsourced to areas such as China with weak pollution laws.
I made the mistake of taking advanced basket weaving in graduate school theoretical chemistry which is practically worthless but was a lot of fun. If I was entering the field today I'd focus on nano-technology which has a huge untapped potential. We are just now getting to the point that we can do non-homogeneous chemical reactions or real three dimensional chemistry. For example the concept of creating something quite similar to a spiders spinnerets is now conceptually feasible.
Or another example something like a spinneret that creates endless carbon nanotubes. In many cases this is a fusion of concepts from making computer chips and activating the surfaces with catalytic agents.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanochemistry
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=EWejwvtfMwwC&dq=nano+chemistry&pr...
Beyond this I'm using my degree now to investigate using liquid nitrogen as a energy store
for renewable energy. You can't do that with a Computer Science degree.
memmel,
Your comment,
"Beyond this I'm using my degree now to investigate using liquid nitrogen as a energy store for renewable energy. You can't do that with a Computer Science degree.
I have sent you an e-mail with document regarding the liquid nitrogen option, which I think has great potential. As to the computer science degree, the ability to engage in advanced computer modeling of liquid air thermodynamics and conversion efficiencies could be of great value.
I think you are on exactly the right track...
RC
Chemistry and particularly chemical engineering should be just fine. I would look at the history of basic chemical processes as society powers down. We will have to learn how to produce basic chemicals with less energy. We will also have to look to other more sustainable sources for plastics, fertilizers, as well as energy.
Chemistry is fine if it is what he really loves. However, I think it would be money well invested to investigate before committing to a degree track. I think materials science/engineering is much more exciting. I've found that all the major breakthroughs in many fields come on the heels of materials.
Of course, should your son ever have the ability for electrical engineering... (oh, we are an arrogant and self aggrandizing bunch - but we earned it). Actually, electrical is interesting, but many other disciplines are equally exciting. My philosophy is so long as you have a good grasp of the fundamentals, you can work within many areas. (First rule, there is no such thing as a free lunch).
As for premier engineering schools, well that must be an American phenomena which escapes my imagination. Anyone graduating from a public university in Canada can hold their own with any MIT or Princeton graduate. I know because I've done it many a time. We do have a few schools that have a reputation for being the best in specialties, but all in all the general education system has a high degree of quality (pun not intended).
At the end of the day, I recommend you take some time and schedule interviews and visits to industries. I started off in architecture and after spending a summer working in the business discovered I couldn't stand it. Most high school counselors couldn't counsel their way out of church picnic. Let him see it, talk to the people, and keep his options open for the first two years.
My 2 cents,
BC_EE
Well, I have a chem degree too. What I found is that I hated research - I had a real deal of an openended sort of corp. grant to investigate TLC and electrophoresis. I also worked in electroplating research which I also hated - dealt mostly with cathodic corrosion potential. In retrospect, I didn't have the intellectual maturity to pull these off. But...
I moved over into production and process development management and became a quasi-ChemE. I loved it. But...
If I had it all to do over again, I should have been an Ag major. My rationale at the time is that I could simply get a job. I have always regretted my choice.
Todd
A BTW, my degree was ACS (American Chemical Society) certified as far as curriculum went which meant I missed out on stuff I was simply interested in. I could only take on elective course during undergraduate study.
My younger sister graduated from RPI (one of the better engineering schools) into the teeth of a chemical industry recession. One member of her class of chemical engineers got a job in the chemical industry.
Prepare for flexibility. Say, as a financial analyst for merchant banking types deciding which chemical industry project to finance.
What are the components of your energy courses?
There's the rub. What exactly do we teach and who decides the course content?
I'm not a teacher so I can't approach the subject from a teacher's perspective. I have sat in on some contentious school board meetings so I know how difficult it would be to create energy courses at the school district level.
Part of me wants to see energy course content developed at the national level. The problem with expecting national governments to mandate energy courses and become involved in the content is obvious. By the time it was done it would be too late and the course content too ineffective.
I'll switch from my doomer hat to a faith in the human species hat for a minute. The key to energy course content is valid data. Unlike math and science which, at the grade and high school levels, have content that is fairly static, some energy course content would be a moving target. At least once a year the courses would need to be updated to reflect the new knowledge gained in the previous year. The course content dealing with complex subjects like peak oil should be based on peer reviewed data. I would suggest an international, non-profit agency could act as a clearing house for energy information that countries could reference while developing their energy course content.
Even amongst experts there is often conflicting energy data. I don't want to imply there will be only one "right" course content. In fact, one facet of the energy course must be a full understanding that there are multiple viewpoints, but let's exclude those that are not peer reviewed.
One of the bright spots in our educational system are schools run by teachers and administrators that break away from the mediocre and provide their students (our children) with and education that is the envy of other schools (and parents). Perhaps these schools could start the energy course movement and provide a blueprint for school districts, states, and federal governments to follow. Success from the bottom up rather than from the top down.
I don't want to give an impression that my concept of an energy course is well researched. I believe we need to start with the desired result and then work backwards to the steps required to achieve that result. An enormous task, but one that will literally change the world in the next quarter century.
My premise is we humans act on inertia. We base our future plans on our past experiences. Hence the current financial crisis. If we are to minimize the horrendous consequences of not decisively dealing with energy now, we need to change our inertia from a lack of energy education to a full energy education. It is easier to effect this change in children than in adults. However, because the establishment of energy courses will involve a substantial number of adults who otherwise would not learn about our energy future, we will see a positive increase in the number of current decision makers who can effect energy policy.
We don't currently see discussions between adults and children at the dinner table about how algebra will soon change the world we live in:) One, I would hope, stupendous success of energy courses would be an ongoing dialog between adults and children about the future of the planet. The result being more educated and motivated adults.
I would be interesting to hear from some TOD readers who are teachers. I'm betting they could whip up energy course outlines for grades one through twelve. Their input would spark some interesting discussion. I hope so, don't want to have to put my doomer hat back on right away.
One last thought before I head out to work.
We are in an energy crisis. It will do little good to teach energy courses that don't Include this fundamental fact. We did not need to teach energy courses 50 years ago (let's not debate this:) because there was no energy crisis then.
But all energy courses worth their salt contain a couple of key elements:
1) Material balances
2) Energy balances (let's not get into where we draw the boundaries)...
3) Basic physics (incorporates above) and energy transfer
4) Thermo (my inner ChemE is showing).
Finally, a review of the technology now in use as well as some hint of the near-horizon. I teach courses such as this, mostly to people that already have a technical background but have never gotten deeply into the nergy production field or the associated issues.
I've got a couple degrees in Chemistry and concur with much of the above. Ideally, I think an undergrad degree in Chemistry from a place that doesn't shy away from the math side, followed by a graduate degree in engineering would be the best ticket. I enjoyed grad school, but the hours I spent monkeying aorund with microscopic IR laser diodes and changing the gases in my XeCl excimer really don't help me with much. In hindsight, a more practical course of study might have been good. Or better yet, I should have pursued a PE (Physical Education, not Professional engineer!) degree...woulda got me the same salary with half the work and half(?) the current grading. (I teach at a community college). Oh well, next time.
BTW...when I survey my General Chem students, it seems that less than a quarter want to be science/engineering. At least half want to "go to med school". Dunno what the others are doing there....miscellaneous life sciences maybe.
This is what I do to get the junior engineers - and myself - excited about what we do. It doesn't cost much and is quite productive.
By my desk I have a floor to ceiling white board and plenty of markers and erasers (never forget the eraser!). When we get to discussing, drawing, formulating, and summarizing by well know equations you can see the eyes light up. As a commercial, profit making industrial engineering firm, we get to delve into the first principle aspects more than most. This gets the juice going.
Then! Then, when you can summarize an otherwise obscure real world point due to your experience in 3 seconds with a flash of the marker, they are hooked. I've been know to add or subtract millions of dollars on a design by a simple, "excessive and nominal value", to "it's worth the money to prevent the 'boom' that could happen".
There you have it me hearties, spend $150 on white board, markers and erasers, put the damn thing in the middle and let it happen. If you are an engineer or scientist, that's why you get out of the bed in the morning whether you are 19 or 79.
This is what I do to get the junior engineers - and myself - excited about what we do. It doesn't cost much and is quite productive.
By my desk I have a floor to ceiling white board and plenty of markers and erasers (never forget the eraser!). When we get to discussing, drawing, formulating, and summarizing by well know equations you can see the eyes light up. As a commercial, profit making industrial engineering firm, we get to delve into the first principle aspects more than most. This gets the juice going.
Then! Then, when you can summarize an otherwise obscure real world point due to your experience in 3 seconds with a flash of the marker, they are hooked. I've been know to add or subtract millions of dollars on a design by a simple, "excessive and nominal value", to "it's worth the money to prevent the 'boom' that could happen".
There you have it me hearties, spend $150 on white board, markers and erasers, put the damn thing in the middle and let it happen. If you are an engineer or scientist, that's why you get out of the bed in the morning whether you are 19 or 79.
It sound nice but I am not clear what level you want to teach this at. If it is at the high school level my personal experience inclines me to doubt you will find more than a few teachers qualified to theacch this kind of material.
The idea is to teach energy in all grades from 1 to 12. If we all agree that the next quarter century will be structured around energy supplies, we need a generation that is energy literate. I've been reluctant to propose course outlines because it is not my strong suit. However, without course outline examples, I now see how tough it is to pass on the concept. I'll work on some examples over the next few days.
In the mean time, think of the energy courses as being similar to math and science courses that build on the previous years courses. By definition, energy is a wide ranging subject which intertwines with math, science, political science, and history. Certainly, we can weave some energy education into the existing courses. But I think this is a mistake. The consequences we face are too dire. Energy education can't be an add on. It has to be a primary course.
Critical energy decisions need to be made at the personal, family, community, state, national, and international level. The number of these decisions, their urgency, and complexity will rapidly increase each year. Like many of you, I fear war and famine may be inevitable. We don't have the luxury of time, and we certainly can't make it up as we go.
I want to see an entire generation that is prepared to contribute to our energy future because, by the 12th grade, they understand what the aggregate of TOD readers and contributors do. I don't mean they have the equivalent of a college degree or better. They have enough education to actively participate in shaping our energy future because they understand, really understand, what needs to be done.
It should also discuss some of the basics of the formation and production of the fossil fuels. In some of my classes I use video from the Burke's Connections Series and Bronowski's Ascent of Man series to give some background. There are also some old NCB videos - such as "Nine Centuries of Coal"."
My job is science education at a university. Part of my work is getting teachers to teach science that makes sense to their students. There are already a lot of "externally generated special interest course materials" out there, clamoring for teachers' attention. Getting these used takes a substantial push, so the ones we hear about are funded by some organization, such as The Soybean Council, the National Wildlife Federation, and so on. Do you suppose we could get funding from an oil company to support an energy education curriculum? Hint: there already is one, supported by either oil or coal interests, and it does a great job of selling the party line.
An energy curriculum such as the one X is thinking about would likely be perceived as counter-mainstream if it were to go against established "wisdom". It would be a tough sell. Parents in the midwest would complain to the principal that "your teacher is trying to tell my daughter that ethanol is bad!" Here in the midwest, ethanol from corn is a sacred cow.
Schooling is primarily a mechanism for replication of the dominant culture. Any attempt to insert a change is met with strong opposition from entrenched interests. It has reluctance to change built in. For example, I've been working for years to teach science teachers (1) a basic understanding of fundamental physics principles and (2) how to teach science for understanding in their own classrooms. Most teachers don't understand the science they are teaching very well (if at all) so of course most of them fall back on attempting to transmit a series of facts, which doesn't serve most students very well (or worse, it convinces the students that science is a collection of discrete, inscrutable facts). But getting teachers to make these changes is very difficult. Teachers, already burdened with more to think about than they can possibly handle, worry that they will not be seen as "teaching the right stuff" or they won't be able to "cover enough content". So very few change in the way that will make a difference, and those who do change face a lot of flack from their students, from parents, and often from their own administrations.
My point is, what you're proposing isn't easy. It's necessary for an informed population, but not easy.
Nevertheless, I have a similar dream of creating a set of course materials not just about energy but about systems thinking. Systems are particularly hard to think about. I'm talking about the bio-geo-economic system that Charlie Hall is promoting (which includes energy) or the psycho-politico-social system. People don't think about systems such as these and therefore they assume they don't exist. It would take years of gradual introduction before people would begin seeing the connections that ecologists or some sociologists see. And we need a population of people who recognize that certain things are intimately connected.
Does anyone here have any good references on systems in general? Or do you have any ideas about how to teach systems, or at least how to teach connectedness?