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This is happening in an area of the country that has long been a Republican free market ideology stronghold. Why plan for hurricanes when the invisible hand will provide if we just let the free market work? Only problem is that when push comes to shove and the invisible hand demands the doubling or more of prices to bring in supply, politics calls it price gouging and stops it.
One would think that there would be a political price to pay for this mess, especially with the election only forty days away. But faith can make people blind to the situation in which they find themselves. The cognitive dissonance that they have been wrong is too much to bear. Denial will reign and the true believers will be re-elected.
Meanwhile here in the upper Midwest gas prices dropped to $3.20 at the local Walmart. The stories of gas shortages in the Southeast seem as unreal as reports of food shortages in Haiti. E85 is widely available and sells for about $2.50.
Yeah, it's really strange that Georgia is experiencing those shortages. And, Charlotte, NC and Nashville, TN, etc. It couldn't be that it has anything to do with the fact that we are in a political year. Just because McCain is running on the "Drill, Drill, Drill" ticket, would the oil companies be so crass as to add a bit of emphasis to the message? I mean, Mr. Obama has even stopped campaigning in Georgia, all but admitting that Georgia is so Red that he likely would have no chance there.
The funny thing is that there's gas in my county at the northwestern corner of NC. I filled up last evening, being the only car in the station and It cost me $3.86 a gallon, while the price near to town was $3.99. And, I spoke with a friend last evening who had just returned from a trip to Florida, driving up I-95 then thru Charlotte. Apparently, people have stayed home and thus the shortage may be localized to some degree. Still, the fun will begin again tomorrow as people start to head in for work.
E. Swanson
Free-market-magic believers have learned that the simplest message repeated endlessly will be believed, whereas a more complicated one just befuddles the masses. So if you repeat "drill" over and over (that's why the chant comes in groups of threes), you'll be believed. Consequently, someone needs to find a way to fit hurricanspipelinesdistributionbottlenecksrefineryshortagessogetreal into a chant, or maybe a neat little jingle!
There's a brand new word for such adamantly 'positive' believers:
It's called Wishery.
It's Reality the Way We Wish It Would Be.
I hear Jiminy Cricket loves it. He might even dump the 'when you wish upon a star' soundbite for it.
It's a word Bush would gravitate to.
Don't ever misunderestimate the power of positive thought.
I guess I don't get the no-inventory idea. Here in Minneapolis gas has been falling in price like crazy, down about $0.50 past week. $3.39 today.
This acts more like a regional transport problem.
We have 2 refineries in the metro area.
Part of this depends upon where you are on the food chain....
In Chapel Hill, NC, three of the four gas stations on NC-86 heading toward I-40 have been without gas since Saturday (well, one load got to one station on Saturday afternnon). If you go 20 miles to Mebane on I-85/I-40 they have gas at $3.61-3.69 and they are doing a brisk business. I pumped 12 gallons into my tank on Saturday, the first time I've pumped any gas in 22 days.
Across the street from where I work, they are running out of gas about 1-2 times per week.
So, it's spotty and yet commonplace in central NC. Same is true in Greensboro and it's right on the pipeline.
Someone please correct me, but if the price were allowed to rise to the clearing price, wouldn't it then be high enough to induce tankers to haul the gas from areas where gas is plentiful?
I would believe so. It was stated by one of the fuel transport companies it has never been economical for them to get gas from Charleston SC when Asheville NC had shortages. I think the Charleston SC depot is from seaborne delivery.
I guess if there was enough gas to get by tankers, it would be transported by pipelines anyway, until they are full. But I am not very informed about that crisis, so I may easily be wrong.
What has been missed on this thread is the statement by Red Cavaney about the shutting down of credit. Out here in the Permian Basin, a lot of oilfield service companies are on a cash only basis with their fuel supplier. Some of these companies have $100K week fuel bills. The largest expense is labor. These companies payroll comes due every week. These companies churn a lot of money. But the oil companies keep them 60-90 days behind so they have to borrow against their lines of credit for weekly payroll.
Same for the fuel distributors. They buy from Alon or Navajo and if they cannot get the credit from their bank, then it is cash up front. What Red Cavaney is worried about is these companies not being able to get credit and meet their payroll.
THe oil producers are completly dependent on contractors to provide almost all the services to the industry. IF the contractors cannot meet payroll, no one shows up to work and the oil business slowly grinds to a halt. The refinery's are not set up to extend credit to the retail gas stations, so the gas station cannot buy fuel as they do not have the $42K credit for a tanker load of gasoline.
The supply of feedstock starts drying up and the refiners cannot sell to their distributers because the retail distributer cannot buy the refined product.
Not exactly peak oil. A lot more scary because this may not happen slowly, it could happen before the end of October.