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We've got about 15 days until the bond market crashes.
We have not yet seen the greatest event in the history of our lives.
Note that only 8 banks were called in to be "informed yesterday.
Note that only 8 banks will be receiving $125 billion.
Only 2500 approx. to go.
For the benefit of those of us who are not market professionals when you say the market will crash do you mean prices will go down or that something more serious will happen? It sounds serious that the market will crash.
I'd like to hear mcgowanmc's response.
My thought is that what he means is bond prices will drop a lot and there will be a corresponding rise in interest rates. I don't know whether the 15 day time frame is right, but it is a perilous time right now, and that is the general direction things are moving. As there are more and more defaults, this is the direction one would expect bond markets to move.
If bond prices drop a lot and there is a corresponding rise in interest rates, the lack of credit we have been seeing recently in bank borrowing and commercial paper will spread to the rest of the debt market--namely bonds. It will make it very difficult for businesses to finance anything. Companies (and municipalities and churches) that thought they could issue new bonds to pay off old ones coming due will find this impossible to do, without raising their financing costs to exorbitant levels. This could result in more bankruptcies, and more defaults on loans, starting the cycle over again.
These bonds are held by many organizations, mostly not banks (although banks may hold some of the bonds), so it will be difficult for the infusion of cash into the banks to have much effect in stopping the cycle. To the extent banks hold the bonds, this will bring down their equity, causing more banks to fail. The drop in bond values will eventually hit other holders of bonds, including insurance companies, pension funds, causing them to have financial problems as well.
"Unlimited dollars being supplied."
The key phrase that Bloomberg has run.
That is mathematically impossible.
the only entity in the bond market now is the US.
Everyone else is gone. who can issue paper that competes with
unlimited faith, credit of the sovereign?
But everything has already been monetized and out to forever.
A Quadrillion dollars worth. We can't pay interest on what we've got and we're issuing "unlimited" amounts more.
Counterparty risk. Until all paper is exposed and marked to market
at 8 cents on the $(per Lehman's auction),...well, this just crossed
the screen-
"Lehman hedge fund clients face margin call on frozen assets."
http://www.investmenttools.com/futures/bdi_baltic_dry_index.htm
The Baltic Dry represents shipping worldwide.
that's a picture of cardiac arrest.
Any bulk commodity, think BHP, Rio Tinto, Vale, et al.
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Last Updated: 11:27AM BST 14 Oct 2008
Nuclear-armed Pakistan is bleeding foreign reserves at an alarming rate leading to fears that it could default on its loans.
There are mounting fears that Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and Argentina could all now slide into a downward spiral towards bankruptcy, while western banks exposed to property bubble across Eastern Europe have seen their share price crushed.
The 10 year bond yield is rising with every move by the sovereign.
The last thing that "Main St" needs.
When no one wants any more US bonds, the US will have to default.
Then price won't matter. The Federal reserve note of Ben Franklin then becomes the US Gov't "bond".
Mac - Why will the bond market crash in 15 days?
Because having the sovereign inject "unlimited dollars" into the system
is mathematically impossible.
The attempt will kill it.
The flywheel turning at enormous rpm will cause internal magnetism and stresses that would cause a solid block of metal to explode.
Do we have massive hyper inflation or massive deflation.
http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-238379.html
Like trying to get too much energy, too fast out of a spinning flywheel,
the flywheel will explode.
"A flywheel will only store energy; not 'generate' it. As all good physics pupils know, energy cannot be created.
You could create such a device, but it would be an incredible feat in engineering; and I'm not quite sure what the point would be. Its large mass would (depending on speed) hold a large amount of energy; but remember; the amount of energy you can get from it will always be a bit less than the amount you put in to get it spinning in the first place."
"TVP45
Jun2-08, 06:50 PM
At that radius, any known material would explode by the time you got up to a decent speed."
"The flywheel, once in motion, can only store the energy which you put into it. In otherwords, it is moving very fast and has a massive amount of energy BECAUSE you put it there. The wheel won't turn if no force is applied -- once applied, it now has EXACTLY the amount of energy you just applied. When you "extract energy" from it, you're simply taking back the energy you put there in the first place (not to mention you just lost some in the form of heat, so actually you won't even get that back!)
Massive Hyper inflation and massive deflation. It looks to me like
the sovereign is trying to balance the two against each other.