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Pardon my frankness, but who are you and what have you done with Leanan?
You're not usually this filled with doom and gloom (and the market isn't Crashing! - at least, not yet - *only* down ~350).
Did Dave Robert's article on Obama and energy policy strike the wrong chord yesterday?
To my old eyes, you get some good and some bad when you get involved with politicians - even if their name is Obama or Clinton.
The world has changed in the past month or so, and so has my outlook for the immediate future.
No, because I didn't read it.
Four years ago, I was a political junkie. Now...I don't care. I don't think national level politics matters in the crisis we're facing. Many of the issues that loomed so large for me four years ago just don't matter any more.
I find myself in pretty much the same boat. I too was fascinated by Washington politics until I realized it was all just window dressing concealing a very nasty machine. But I think Dmitry Orlov gives the best advice on how to handle this:
I understand your sentiment. At times, I entertain the same thoughts.
My thoughts are similar, only it was the coup of 2000 that finalized my opinion. However, I guess I'm hoping that Obama wins - if not, then all those who cling to the belief that he would have really changed things will persist in this delusion. If he wins, then he'll have the chance to show us just what kind of change a candidate financed by the establishment and surrounded by decades long DC insiders can bring.
No, really; all these folks have just been waiting until the right time - nevermind their entire voting history to date - they're really radical populists and are just gonna go nuts and pull out all the stops. Really. Only they can't say that now, because then they'd never get elected.
We'll need to move past the illusion the the existing system can respond in the interests of the populace, and this cannot happen while people still believe in fairy tales.
Even after 2000, I thought working within the system was possible. After all, look at the great changes we saw in the 20th century. There are people alive now who were born before the 19th amendment allowed women to vote. We have a Democratic senator who used to be a member of the KKK. There's a black guy running for president, and he's likely to win. Gay marriage is legal in parts of the U.S., when only 40 years ago, interracial marriage was illegal in some states.
But sometime after 2000, I started realizing we were running out of time. By the time the primaries begun, I had almost no interest. And this financial crisis has been the nail in the coffin. It's going to tie the hands of the new president, whoever he is.
Someday you might actually have a woman as President! It is quite shocking that after 232 years this will the first time an African American has come this close to becoming President. For that alone I support Obama. It shows us in the rest of the world that the USA is getting rid of bigotry even if slowly.
It is even more shocking that no woman has been President of the USA this long. Consider that Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Sri Lanka and India have all had women Prime Ministers just 30-40 years after independence (the chief executive) and it shows that something is wrong with the political system in the USA.
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