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"I was somewhat amazed when he started the video series since, as far as I saw from his posts on other forums, that he had "bowed out."
I worshiped at Jay's alter for years until my personal excommunication. It always seemed like he was going to "bow out", but he always came back. Everyone needs some form of recognition to keep going especially after most of the illusion is striped out of your life and you begin to stand on your own two feet. We are all guilty of it or we would not be in these forums “strutting” our stuff. I'm surprised to see him go on a radio broadcast; things must be getting really lonely in Hawaii. Time to preen those beautiful feathers again...
==AC
The basic question the person wants to ask and answer is "Who am I? What is the meaning of my life? What value does it have?" And we can only get answers to these questions by reviewing our relationships to others, what we do to others and for others, and what kind of response we get from them. SELF-ESTEEM depends on our social role, and our inner-newsreel is always packed with faces—it is rarely a nature documentary. Even holy men, who withdraw for years of spiritual development, come back into the fold of society to earn recognition for their powers. [Friedrich] Nietzsche said of [Arthur] Schopenhauer that he was a model for all men because he could work in isolation and care nothing for the plaudits of the human marketplace. The implication is that he had his sense of value securely embedded in himself and his own idea of what his work was worth. Yet this same Schopenhauer spent his lonely life scanning the footnotes of learned journals to see whether there was ever going to be recognition of his work....The anthropologist Robert Lowie once said that primitive man was a natural peacock, so open was he in self-display and self-glorification. But we play the same game, only not as openly. Our entire life is a harangue to others to establish ourselves as peacocks, if only on furtive and private inner-newsreel images.
~Ernest Becker
For the record, I have pushed him several times to do a TV or radio interview and he always declined. I think he senses it can't hurt and might help to do so at this point. And in the end it's hard to be happy without a tribe
And your point is noted. What ARE the reasons any of us do anything? Why do I continue to spend time on TOD? It's a complicated answer, and I suspect 50%+ of my motives are unconscious - but a subject for another day nonetheless. As I've said, Jays work allowed me to make broad brush connections that would have taken me years (or decades) on my own. Perhaps the same is true for TOD and its community. Cultural transmission....
Perhaps the best outcome from Jay's videos (and posts on TOD) is to be proven wrong. Then we're one step closer to understanding/accessing the problem. But these types of ideas are difficult to prove wrong, except in hindsight. Therefore are they science? Or religion? The pieces that make up the thesis are based on science, but beyond that I'm not sure. It's clear that the cornucopian crowd thinks that since oil's price has declined that peak oil was a 'hoax'. Nothing could be further from the truth. We are in a much worse position with regards to future energy supplies today than we were a year ago. I noticed Fridays announcement on Platts by Chesapeake that "The US oil and gas exploration-and-production industry will likely take out of service between 300 and 500 drilling rigs in the coming months, as the industry continues to be wracked by the global credit crisis and soft energy commodity prices". That's between 1/4 and 1/3 of our rigs drilling for gas! I suspect similar details will be emerging on the oil side, all the while the ongoing depletion continues at nearly double digit rates, despite infield drilling and tertiary recovery.
In any case, I've poked a lot of holes in Jay's theories over the years, but mostly small ones. I look forward to hearing his interview.
Nate,
you wrote:
"That's between 1/4 and 1/3 of our rigs drilling for gas!"
Don't forget that Chesapeake means this number for the "US *oil* and gas exploration-and-production industry". Of course this is confusing as Chesapeake is only a gas company.