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A rather funny list, until I figured out that the last three were possibilities for a McCain administration.
Edit: I suggest that Obama nominate Randy Udall of ASPO USA. His relatives are taking over the Senate, so family gatherings would be convenient.
A repost from 10/1...
Make Totoneila the Secretary of Agriculture.
Westexas the Secretary of Energy.
Gail The Actuary the Secretary of the Treasury.
Prof. Goose as Secretary of Education.
And Kunstler the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development.
(adding: AlanFromBigEasy as Secretary of Transportation, Richard Heinberg as Secretary of State, and Michael Ruppert as Secretary of Defense)
Right on!
At least it would be cheap to replace our our soldiers guns with white flags of surrender. We could call his defense tactics the swiss cheese defense. Or we could rename the pentagon the Consiprigon. :)
Or, we could do like the Swiss. Every able bodied male of good character and sound mind older than 18 would join in the National Guard and would serve in some capacity of national service for 2 years with a couple of weeks service each year after that. He would be issued an M-4 at a cost of about $1000 each with 500 rounds of ammo, which he would keep at home under lock. There might be some 70 million men so qualified, so that might cost a one time $70 Billion. Then, the rest of the military budget, except for the Navy and the Veterans Administration, could be cut about 90%. The resulting cost savings, perhaps as much as $500 Billion a year, could be used to pay for a massive program to build renewable energy systems. In about 5 years, we could cut most of our oil imports and tell OPEC to go to hell.
No sane nation would attack 70 million men armed thusly. It would be like trying to attack Afghanistan. We (and the Russians) already tried that and we know what would happen...
E. Swanson
No need to go too such extremes. It is already the case that no sane nation would attack the U.S., even minus our military. Any thoughts to the contrary are jingoistic nonsense.
Now, insane nations are another matter...
But then, what is sanity? How many leaders started wars when they believed that they would lose? Wouldn't a leader (or a group in power) think himself (themselves) to be sane when starting a war? I figure we are all a little bit insane, but the real clinical nut cases are the folks who don't know how insane they are.
One man's religion is another's perversion and they kill each other because of the difference. The Muslims see reality so differently from the way the Christians do, that the radical fundamentalist feel no remorse at enslaving or killing the infidels. Christians have hated and killed Jews for centuries. Lets not forget the Hindus or the Buddhist, etc. Yet, science has not found clear evidence of the supernatural actor(s) claimed by many of the religions. So, who's really sane out there on the road of Life?
E. Swanson
The Jews were able to find refuge in the Christian areas of Britain and the United States. They were not allowed refuge in Saudi Arabia or Iran. The Moslems genocided the Christians of Turkey c. WWI and the Christians of Sudan in the 1990's. There have been waves of Jihad over non-Islamic peoples for centuries. It is one of the reasons the Communists did not like religion. It was too violent and unjust.
Weren't many Jews denied entry to the US and ended up dead in WW2? Boats were turned back from our (US) shores?
Fine idea. We have National Guards-- and they could be made mandatory.
However, they aren't meant to be attack forces for an imperialist regime. The Swiss would never be able to do what they do if they went around making war all over the world with their national guard.