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58 comments on General Jones and the Chamber of Commerce Energy Plan

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nkktwotwozero on November 28, 2008 - 11:24am Permalink | Subthread | Comments top

Guess the real message here is that the "best ideas" are small ideas; as in relatively easy to do things.

Real "change" would have addressed something like revitalization of highly dense cities and moving Federal support away from single family homes with large lawns to smaller, denser units, or the move away from airport centered/Interstate centered long distance travel towards rail based, or some move away from trucks toward viable alternatives.

That would have been a shock. The list is nice, interesting, would be cool to see implemented, but not exactly sure of if they will have huge effects.

BTW - speaking of smart grids the National Science Foundation had a good podcast on the subject called "Bridges to the Future, Part I: The Smart Grid"

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nulinegvgv on November 28, 2008 - 2:40pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

You’re invited!

U.S. Chamber of Commerce Complimentary Teleconference

Lawrence Solomon author of The Deniers
The World-Renowned Scientists Who Stood Up Against Global Warming, Hysteria, Political Persecution, and Fear* And Those Who Are Too Fearful To Do So

Tuesday, December 2, 2008

Register Today!

I wonder how long it’ll be until the national CoC comes asking for a bailout? Because there’s no way anyone could have seen this climate thing coming.

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WebHubbleTelescope on November 28, 2008 - 4:11pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I heard Solomon on a talk-show recently and he certainly needs to be bailed out of his asshattery.

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bicycle dave on November 29, 2008 - 8:16pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

"Real Change" would be to address sustainable human world population and set a US population target that takes into consideration the fuel consumption and carbon footprint of the average US citizen. I suspect this would result in a target of less than 200 million - family planning and immigration programs would need to be near the top of the list.

Real change would be a national motor vehicle speed limit of 45 mph and the removal of all crash protection requirements except seat belts (and maybe air bags). This would give some real motivation for "viable alternatives".

Either peak oil and global warming are real and urgent threats or they are not. If they are not particulary urgent, then the list is fine. If these threats are urgent, and we don't take drastic steps, then our great grandchildren (I have one) will come to hate our greed and stupidity.

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