Kenneth Boulding's comments still ring true today. Storage is still a major problem, but one which is also tied into the fact that most of society still understands little about energy and our predicament. We've learned quite a bit about capturing and using renewable energy from the technical point of view and we've learned ways to use energy more efficiently as well. But, the public perception is still based on the fossil fuel model of consumption, especially the suburban model of living, which has a tremendous impact on out economy. What can be done is not what is being done and what can be done won't be the same sort of development path which has dominated the U.S. for the past decades.

Bolding's comment that we can't discover that which isn't there is not understood among the general public, which has been conditioned to think that science and technology will continue to bring forth newer and better gadgets to meet our needs. Our political class (mostly lawyers) exhibit similar lack of understanding, apparently thinking that all which is needed to solve a problem is a new law or regulation. The trouble is, the laws of nature can not be changed by man. Most economists also appear to have little understanding of this reality, as they assume that "growth" will occur as the result of their efforts. But, growth of material consumption on our finite planet must eventually reach limits and after that, begin to decline, even more on a per capita basis with population increasing.

As much as these ideas have been kicked around for more than 30 years, one wonders just what it would take to get these thoughts into the heads of our government and the common man. Well, one way might be for one of the car companies to go bankrupt, which would have a major impact on NASCAR and the culture of mindless consumption which it feeds. NASCAR teams are very expensive and without support from industry, they can't function. We can only hope for better times.

E. Swanson

We've all been surrounded by so much energy for generations now, and we simply cannot see it. To get in a 5000lb vehicle and go hurtling off at incredible speeds across hundreds of miles - this is access to an unimaginable amount of energy for most of human history. But to us, it is nothing. Yet there are very few primary sources of energy on earth, and we must ultimate return to using those in real time, de-rated by our limited ability to harvest and store them. I believe that's a hell of a lot less than we've all gotten used to, especially as we've gotten so used to just using the cheap, easy and concentrated stored solar energy of fossil fuel.

I know that lawyers are not stupid, and I know that "the common man" is capable of far more than is usually demanded. You question "one wonders just what it would take to get these thoughts into the heads of our government and the common man" has already been answered by the media and advertising establishment.

They have made people worry compulsively about body odor and germs on their kitchen counters, and they have made people completely indifferent to the perils of nuclear holocaust. That sort of power is available to make people wake up to the new energy regime, but it is still being misused.

There are a lot of explanations for this -- the "corporations" own the media, etc. But the fact remains, if you want something done, you have to get to people's core beliefs and modify those, and the advertising industry has the most practical knowledge of this.

We need more discussion of how to steer the advertisers and the media -- function will follow form if we succeed.

"...the advertising industry has the most practical knowledge of this."

them and the cia and kkkarl rove and the gop.

Industry spends 100s of millions of dollars to undermine markets. And when they turn to selling a candidate, they do the same thing. They want uninformed consumers to make irrational choices... So you undermine democracy pretty much the same way you undermine markets. That's the nature of an election when it's run by the business world and you'd expect it to be like that. There should be no surprise there. - Chomsky on DemocracyNow! 2008-11-24

cfm in Gray, ME

Agree completely.

However, they have the tools-- they just use them for anti-social ends.

Can't that be changed?

If it can't, the human species has a fatal, dead-end flaw. I guess I choose to believe that we can use our psychological knowledge in pro-social ways, but I guess that would have to be considered a "hope", and what Derek Jensen would call a narcotic.

Your attack on NASCAR folk is unfair.

The elite yacht club, jet-set, and travel folks like me have used up billions of barrels of oil more than the poor NASCAR folk.

Look at the hundreds of thousands of cabin cruisers and gas/diesel guzzling "yachts" and "sailboats" with twin 500 hp engines. Look at the private jets and prop aircraft. Look at the millions of vacations to Europe, Greece, Far East, look at all of the big Mercedes/BMW/Suburban/Toyota/Hummer/ and soccer mom SUV's, look at the jets trips to Hawaii and the Virgin Islands. And my month is Spain, driving from place to place :) Ahhhhhhhh, I just need some more $$$$ and I'll do it again. Wow! Look at all of the tony fashion magazines and stores and the enormous houses in the suburbs....... and I could go on for pages...............

Let's not pick on poor people.

When I was 17 I owned a used 1952 Jag XK-120 and burned up the highways and have never stopped :).

I knew about Peak Oil when I was 10 years old, as my dad worked for Atlantic Richfield as a lab technician and he and I knew what was happening then. I've conserved and recycled, but hey, let's get real-- the folk here in the USA use 10X the oil that most poor folk do.

We're all guilty, not just the poor NASCAR folk.

My next trips: driving from here in the State of Veracruz to the Yucatan, Chiapas, and Oaxaca.

Next year, if I get the $$$$, it's off to Greece, Italy, Turkey :)

We're all guilty, not just the poor NASCAR folk.

Maybe so but some of us are more guilty than others and unrepentant bastards like you more so than the rest, hopefully by some stroke of cosmic justice folks like you will get your just rewards. Unfortunately, I'm aware that the universe just doesn't work that way, so party on dude!