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mciotola on November 28, 2008 - 3:42am

Nice posting! There are a few other technocrats in Australia and New Zealand. For now, we focus on research and work most closely with the European Technocrats. You can find our pages at:

Members: http://en.technocracynet.eu/index.php?option=com_groupjive&task=showgrou...

Forum: http://en.technocracynet.eu/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=63&fun...

European Technocrat website: http://en.technocracynet.eu

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Big Gav on November 28, 2008 - 6:40am

Thanks for the links - I didn't realise the technocrats were still going.

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PatrickMc on November 28, 2008 - 7:03pm

Big Gav, you may also be interested in these links:

http://www.technocracy.org/ - official site of Technocracy, Inc

http://www.technocracy.ca/ - unofficial site (this site is a bit disorganized but has some decent info if you are willing to do some digging)

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isenhand2 on December 3, 2008 - 5:49am

"I didn't realise the technocrats were still going"

Yes, we are still around :)

Technocracy Inc. has survived since 1933. The other major technocratic organisation is the Network of European Technocrats (which started in 2004). NET has a number of members who are professional scientist and engineers (with engineering degrees, science degrees and PhDs) and we work on a technocratic plan mainly for Europe (but the plan could have applicability elsewhere and we do have members in Australia). In short, our plan takes a holonic, distributed form centred around localised communities to reduce energy demands. We also aim to test out these ideas both through simulation and actual communities and we have work under way in both of those areas.

I recently gave a presentation on NET's plan as a guest lecturer at Umeå University in Sweden (entitled "Technocracy: Building a New Sustainable Society for a Post Carbon World"). If you would like, I could send you the slides but we also have articles up on our site (http://en.technocracynet.eu/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1).

The main ones of interest are:

http://en.technocracynet.eu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=75...
http://en.technocracynet.eu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10...
http://en.technocracynet.eu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=56...

They present an out line of a sustainable society (we are not just concerned with peak oil but also with the sustainability of society as a whole) composed of a network of communities as well as plans to move from today's unsustainable society to a future sustainable society. The science behind the ideas come from the areas of distributed artificial intelligence and distributed manufacturing as well as the thermodynamic interpretation of economics (in common with Tech inc).

Dr. Andrew Wallace BEng(hons)EurIng PhD
Director of NET.

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Mungo on November 28, 2008 - 11:57pm

It should be noted though that NET or the group above (TechCa.) is in no way connected to the science based group and its ideas. NET is a blog of several active people in Sweden... and the Technocracy Incorporated group from the beginning (1934) in its first published material, stated specifically that it is not associated with groups in Europe or elsewhere.
Also noted is that the TechCa. group mentioned above is not an official site and the information they present also is not connected to the original groups information, and should not be considered accurate to get a good picture of the proposed Technocracy technate design... The original group though is still active.

The purpose of incorporating the TechInc material was to ensure that other groups would not co-opt their material, which was formatted in the last two chapters of the Technocracy Study Course, to a certain purpose, as scientific governance... and not social engineering muddling as to opinions of ethics, morality or aesthetic judgment.

Wikipedia and also the European Wikipedia connected sites black listed NET as being non notable... at best... and a few other terms at worst, which I won't get into here. http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&pa... ... and deleted their material a while back.

Here are some interesting links that are connected to TechnocracyInc ideas currently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_scarcity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-market_economics
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_Proteus_Steinmetz&diff... Another member of note.
http://www.eoearth.org/article/Biophysical_economics A very interesting history that includes some background of the origins of the Technocratic way of thinking.
http://telstar.ote.cmu.edu/environ/m3/s3/05account.shtml More on the ideas of energy accounting.
Some videos done by a member of TechInc that have good information. http://www.youtube.com/TBonePickensetc

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