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Peace Through Oil Imports
This is a truly bizarre article in today's WSJ that takes the cornucopian argument to new heights of fancy. Howard argues that consumers have the power, and that basically that the US can, whenever we choose, begin a seamless transition from oil to other energy sources. Therefore, the oil exporters are dependent on the consumers. He talks about oil prices "crashing" to around $50, without any historical reference to the fact that oil prices, at $50, have risen at about 13%/year for the past 10 years.
In Howard's world, it would appear that depletion doesn't exist. If the oil exporters push the price of the oil up too much, the US will simply transition away from oil, so that we can, in effect, continue out auto centric suburban way of life, using alternative energy sources.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122791647562165587.html
WSJ Guest Column: An Ode to Oil
America's oil dependency has some benefits. Author Roger Howard on how the diminishing resource acts as a source of stability, and forces countries to work together.
BTW, didn't Japan's attack on the US in 1941 have something to do with oil?
Hi Westexas,
I guess Howard is not aware of what has been written at the WSJ:
Environmental Capital (blog) http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2007/03/29/prepare-for-peak-oi...
March 29, 2007, 2:33 pm
Prepare for Peak Oil, GAO Warns
Posted by WSJ.com Staff
The other really off-kilter notion of his is that the only salvation for producing nations is to give Western majors a warm embrace. Yeah, Pemex inviting Fluor and company to build that N2 plant has really worked out well for them. Apparently he hasn't read about TNK-BP either, or gotten an invite to the parties the RIK department of the MMS threw. Political will, eh?
Westexas,
Bizarre is the mot juste.
In fact, Howard sounds like a highly informed analyst who has one major conceptual problem: he can't interpret his own data correctly.
Extracts from his article:
Like individual countries are post peak but the whole world isn't really post peak and the less there is the cheaper it gets because a miracle will happen.
Or something like that.
So, this turns dependence on its head. Dependence is a good thing. Independence is a bad thing. Well, we're doing a damn good job of becoming dependent. Russia has the power to pretty much shut down Europe. Saudi Arabia has the power to deliver a major body blow to the U.S. Yeh, great. Let's continue to slurp up that oil. Also, I guess the mantra "drill, baby drill" is no longer operative.
Immediately above WT's comment is more bad news regarding global warming. Enough already with the fossil fuels, whether it's oil,natural gas, or coal.
It would appear, according to the author, that getting off oil is easy. Well,let's get crackin'.
Independence is a faustian bargain. There's nothing really magical about country borders; you could strive for independence from the rest of your country, or from the rest of your state, or from the rest of your local community or even from anyone outside your family.
Independence is synonomous with poverty; particularly if you take it to extremes. The more diverse the set of people, expertize and resources you can pull toghether to cooperate the more efficiently you can create utillity; the most striking example is any form of entertainment media, software or electronic hardware(to design and start manufacturing high-end processors it takes billions of dollars, a vast body of knowledge and skill from tens of thousands of people working in academia, industry, software and hardware algorithms, litography, marketing, power conditioning and UPS, air quality control, stress testing and statistical analysis of failure rates etc.) where the initial cost is high but the cost of each additional copy is low.