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School dist could by up forclosed homes and renovate them for schools and Moms could walk their kids to school again.
9 block districts like the old 9 sq mile districts in the country used to be with school in the center.
We are so far from that ideal... Here in Boulder we have "open enrollment" which means you can apply to have your kids go to a school far from home within the school district. Some of the most creative, wonderful schools are "open enrollment only" and attract families from all over the county. Driving my kids to our Waldorf-inspired public school I was spending about $150/month last spring. Public transportation was inconvenient for that particular 6 mile route. Biking with a 3, 6 and 8 year old was beyond my level of devotion.
By middle school (and even sooner), things begin to segregate along child ability/income lines and I would imagine that makes the system more resistant to change, although a law mandating a maximum achievement level gap between schools could do the system in.
Then again, if society collapses, chances are everything will become a lot more local. Some of the unemployed among us may teach each other's kids in informal ways - anywhere we find. In a first step, private school enrollment is down in places like San Francisco, intensifying the competition for the most popular public schools.
Schooling (6-13 or so) has to, and will, become more localised.
First, because travel and busing etc. will beome more difficult, or impossible. Second, because parents will want/need very local schooling, will go for community organisation, even only for safety etc. considerations.
Third, it is likely that State Corporatism, as is current in the US and France, China as well, but that is another can of worms, will come to a stop.
The US has a clumsy scheme with schools funded largely by local taxes, ie. it is class run; social advancement no longer exists, hasn't for a long time, and it has *bad* teachers, I say bad, as individuals they are not to be blamed, the teachers are trapped too.
France shows a different pattern of extreme centralization and rigidity also with ‘poor’ teachers. These systems will simply collapse and are doing so as I write.
The US today job-wise has a few growth, if one can even talk about ‘growth’ sectors: Education, health, Gvmt (military, weapons research, etc.) Education is the most visible, demands and funding grow. At the same time, ppl check out and leave.
and it has *bad* teachers, I say bad, as individuals they are not to be blamed, the teachers are trapped too
You contradict yourself, so it's hard to understand what you actually think of teachers in the US, but you are repeating unfounded scapegoating. As a teacher, let me tell you that most teachers are competent. They are not going to change the world, but they are competent. I know, because I talked to them every day for four years and watched them teach so I could become a better teacher (while teaching myself). Yes, the Bell Curve applies, but it applies to many (most?) things we do.
There is nothing wrong with teachers that strong communities and stronger parents won't fix. In fact, students who are motivated to learn (whether intrinsically or extrinsically), will. Period. It is **NOT** a teacher's job to teach your child values, diligence, hard work or beliefs. It is YOUR job.
Can we train teachers better? Of course. Are they the problem? Rarely. During my entire schooling K-12, I had exactly one truly bad teacher. He was the head football coach teaching math, and couldn't have possibly cared less. The rest were "normals", and I had exactly four teachers I thought excellent. But most were competent. That is, they did not **prevent** learning like the above math teacher did.
I am not uncritical of our schools or our teachers. A lot of them mail it in, and I am **not** a fan, but as a percentage, the numbers are low. Hell, even those mailing it in are mailing in what they were doing as a young, motivated teacher, so their work is actually not horrid.
What should be the case for training is that every new teacher have a mentor that they work closely with for years, not just a semester, and that not just being observed once or twice. But what they really need is funding, parents that give a damn and make their kids do their homework, and neighborhoods that are supportive, stable places where kids are raised to be responsible, participatory and motivated (allowing for kids being kids, of course.)
I've never even heard of, let alone read, a paper that attempted to nail down why American schools don't deliver. If you've some proof other than the repeated, un-sourced BS that teachers are the problem, please link it.
Cheers
Get upset when someone insults teachers but have no problem insulting parents and everyone else eh? :-)
This is undeniably true. It is also true that the educational establishment does not believe that.
I know of many exceptional teachers in our schools who take their jobs very seriously and for whom it is a true calling. That is not, however, the norm. We can blame a culture that doesn't value education as it should (and thus doesn't pay good teachers what they are worth), or we can blame the teachers unions... or any number of other things... but the simple truth is that we do not send our best and brightest back into our schools.
Of course there are exceptions (may their tribe increase!), but those who elect to major in education are close to the very bottom of the college barrel (in terms of grades and test scores). Those who graduate with education degrees have some of the very lowest GRE scores (second only to "public administration" IIRC).
Try Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling and The Underground History of American Education by John Gatto. The second is viewable online at http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm
I think my take on teachers was pretty balanced. They are, by and large, competent. You have said no differently here.
Who is this establishment? I've met not one teacher that wanted the duty of raising your children. (My post was about teachers, no?) Teachers have to, which is not the same as want to.
As I stated...
We don't send anyone. It's a self-selecting group. And it matters not a whit. First, there simply aren't that many people who are the cream of the crop by definition, so expecting our schools to be filled with them is about as pie in the sky as we can get. And, you don't need the best as teachers. It has been my experience that, much like parenting, a single teacher of true excellence along the way can be enough to set a student on a particular course. Excellence is a moot point.
Sure. And? Hey, we used to make fun of the Ed. majors, too. And I was a psych major! But the fact is, the avg. person is capable of very competent work, and can build themselves into excellence. Many teachers do this. Face it, teaching isn't rocket science. It has more to do with managing a class than the actual act of teaching. Even a truly avg. IQ can handle a decent lesson plan and consistency with behavior modification, and that's 90% of a good teacher.
Guess you missed my reading comprehension class. I said paper.
;)
Trust me: when the kids in the school are going home to good homes and good communities, your teachers will look like geniuses. Then you'll actually find out who your bad teachers are, because the there will be no excuse for the avg. student to be relatively good. (I always think of the beautiful letters of Civil War soldiers when I think of how far our typical American intellect has fallen... So many of them must have been barely educated, but, lordy, what prose!)
Cheers
If it's "balanced" to say "the problem is the parents and communities".
They largely belong to teachers' unions. Ever read some of their positions? Ever review some of the case history of the fight (barely 2-3 decades old) for the right to homeschool? There is most definitely a position that government (through the schools) should play a central role in raising your children.
Sure. And when you double taxes on one fuel and subsidize another the people who switch are "self selected"... but that doesn't mean that we didn't push them there. Public policy plays a big role in who decides to go in to teaching.
Perhaps I didn't make my position clear enough. I'm not saying there are few "cream of the crop" teachers. I'm saying that a large percentage of them are of unacceptably poor quality but are protected by unions that defend incompetance.
Just demonstrating that our "best and brightest" are going somewhere else.
Yet is given no economic reason to do so even if "capable". There is little compensation (or even job security) difference between excellence and sub-par. So the return is the satisfaction of a job well done. People who respond to that generally excel in other areas too (like college performance).
I believe one of those books is made up of a number of individually published works, but I could be wrong. Regardless... can you disregard it simply by labeling it?
I agree... but all that demonstrates is that our teachers don't make a whit of difference in the main. Hardly worth the $10k/child/year we throw at the establishment... and one a key reasons we homeschool.
Barely institutionally educated... but that just proves my point. I could produce a pair of vocabulary lists... one from 100+ years ago in a 4th grade reader and the other from a recent SAT. The 4th grade reader is clearly the harder list (and of course the SAT gives you multiple-guess for answers).
That is not what I said. I said it is all three. Of course, there are other issues that you are attempting to expand my point into that are issues but that do not negate my point in any way. That is, you keep trying to discuss education while I made one point and one point only about what actually happens in the classroom. I think this is clear, so I don't understand why you persist.
That I choose not to bring up or discuss ALL the issues in American education does not tell *you* anything about my positions on them. I am well aware of the effects of unions, of the No Child Left Behind policy, funding and how it is done, the number of students per class, top down management, home schooling, tech in the classroom, etc., etc., etc., but I am not interested in discussing education. Feel free to take it up with those in this thread that are.
Your bias is clear: blame the teacher. It is a foolish stance. (Go ahead and construe that to mean we disagree on all the points you raise. I suppose it would surprise you to know you are largely preaching to the choir, but you have an agenda and are not listening.)
My point stands. I have laid out the logic, and it is based on long years of experience as a teacher, as a student, as a person actively involved in professional development and, finally, as a teacher trainer. Additionally, having taught in US public schools and in foreign public schools, I suspect my perspective is far broader than your perspective.
Teachers' skills are not *the* problem, nor one of the primary problems. Disagree? OK. Take it up with those that think there's some use in discussing it, but know you are barking up a tree and doing nothing more than repeating boring, old, pointless and useless canards.
As for the books: not available where I am.
Cheers
This kills me - it's one of my worst nightmares. I like your scenario and that is exactly one of the options I would like to see at least considered for my community.
Our locale voted in favor (just barely) last month to build a brand-spanking new, giant white elementary-ed elephant on the outskirts of town.
Why ??? Because it would fit in nicely with bussing routes to the new HS white elephant, a mile or two away, and also on the outskirts of town. This is "normal!" and "Common sense!" I am told.
On the bright side, they could act as "SuperDomes" during a crisis...
Same all over. Astoria school district just about killed the schools with their consolidation and bussing schemes. The people fought it, but the administration won, as usual. Now, they can't afford the busses, and the kids are spending 2-3 hours on busses in some cases, everyone is cranky.
One room schools produced some of our brightest people. Back to the future, I say.
Proper use of the internet for the creation of decentralized structures for education and manufacturing (you can send instruction, and specs around over the web) would take care of the need for bussing and transportation.
It can be done by getting the school administrators to realize that they can, uh, control and command the work to be done without having to bear any of the costs.
This sneaky way of manipulating the administrators is easily accomplished by letting them keep their administration budget while jettisoning the physical plant budget, for a lower total budget cost.
We eliminate all costs of the fixed location, land acquisition costs (and recurring costs such as taxes taxes,) fixed cost physical plant, the school buildings, the custodial staff, the building maintenance and (and recurring costs like upkeep and supplies,) in one fell swoop.
The cost is negative and therefore beneficial to the school, the community and the student body.
A combination of podcasting and tiered access (free but uncredited and unsupported; cheap with email support; full cost credited with teachers using tele-presence technology for submitting papers and a bi- ,or tri-annual trip taking tests,) would result in a better educated populace.
There are two things to consider. The student environment and the teaching environment.
The student environment: You probably have space in your home now to operate virtual learning. If you need to standardize equipment beyond a web browser and web cam, the OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) initiative can come to the rescue and provide a single platform for support.
The teaching environment: One high-powered fiber internet connection. If teachers want/need to actually see the students and teachers have/need to have them see them, web cams on the students' OLPCs and a high-def web cam on the teachers' apparatus
We have not done away with the need for class rooms entirely, but we have been able to time and place shift them so that occasionally using a single unspecialized, non-purpose-specific large hall would be acceptable. (Building a congregation hall where students and teachers can gather twice or three times a year for testing purposes, and which can be used by anyone else for other events such as sports etcetera, would be an adequate way to spread the costs of maintaining such a cubic space event hall.)
I thought the point of schools was a a key component of the sanity of the stay-at-home parent (restricted school hours (8-3) do not work very well for households with two earners, anyway, though they do take care of a good portion of the 8-5 problem) ; >
we can debate whether the internet consumes too much energy, but nobody can deny that the internet requires "always-on" energy. anything that depends on the internet is useless in a brown-out or a blackout. i think most of us can agree that we can expect a lot of those as energy production winds down.
the internet also depends on cheap networking gizmos made in china, full of copper and extremely pure silicon, etc. i doubt those will be available forever, either.
Well, I don't know, my power has been out since about 5:00pm. Phone lines are down as well. We're under a "Blizzard Warning" up here and it's howling. If they have any sense the power company has pulled the trucks off the road for safety, Whiteout conditions, and windchill around 7 above and expected to get worse before it gets better. Expecting thunder snow as well. Getting to be a weekly thing up here, just barely got some folks back on after the ice storm.
My internet is just fine, Sat modem draws 20 watts, dell laptop configured for long run times. Very kewl how the LCD cuts back when not on plugin power. Battery bank had a week to top off after the ice storm. Throw another log on the fire, pour a Jim Beam, and see what's happening at TOD. It all depends on how you plan.
I'm not really looking forward to the cleanup though.
Cheers
Don in Maine
Here in central NH, we got a foot of snow Fri/Sat, and another foot today. The wind is just now starting to crank up. We got creamed in the ice storm, and good honest snow is a relief. Power still on for the time being, but it doesn't matter - we lose power all the time, and we're used to it. Plenty of wood for the woodstove, plenty of water put by for when the pump doesn't work. Lots of candles.
But lots of digging out for tomorrow...
Got that right sgage, cold enough so it shouldn't be too hard to shovel, at least hopefully, blowing pretty good here now. Classic nor-easter, I always chuckle when I see the white line up the north east side of the trees. I just love that. Right now I can only see one tree that is close to the house, everything else is white. Good healthy weather is so much fun. Hunker down and have a good night.
Don in Maine
Hi Don,
I trust the worst will be soon over for you. Our winds are starting to pick up and are forecast to reach 100 to 120 kph overnight (currently ESE at
5078 kph, gusting to6396). The snow which had been coming down steadily all evening is now turning to freezing rain as temperatures continue to rise, and our lights are flickering from time to time, perhaps foreshadowing what is yet to come (we have a backup generator and can operate our boiler on emergency power if it should come to that, so I'm not overly concerned at the moment).Update: Environment Canada's severe weather warning tells us "[s]uete winds are forecast to occur early Monday with gust up to 150 km/h likely." Power is also becoming more tenuous by the minute.... might be time to duck under the covers.
Cheers,
Paul
Hi Paul, I actually enjoy weather extremes,not complaining at all. Goes with the turf. I suspect you know the feeling as well. Sitting inside something you designed and built,while all holy heck breaks loose, always quite a rush. I've got the old freight train winds right now. Doing your planning well, as I do know you do, is sublime. Grin.
BTW love the heat pump info, not really an option for me when I started, so I ended up going a little lower tech. Not really enough solar or wind to drive one here and I choose to plan for not having the grid eventually. State of the art was not quite the same 30 years ago. Chuckle.
Always enjoy your posts!
Cheers back at ya.
Don in Maine
Thanks, Don; much appreciated. It was a truly wild night with fallen trees and tree limbs scattered everywhere. As expected, we, along with 100,000 other Nova Scotians, lost power. Ed and I have been checking in on our neighbours, supplying them with hot tea and grilled cheese sandwiches and extending an open invitation to come stay with us. No one is quite ready to abandon their homes as yet, but with winds still in excess of 100 kph and temperatures holding at -5C, they're starting to get uncomfortable (there's one elderly couple we're going to forcefully evict, as they're fiercely independent and lovingly stubborn, but lack any means to stay warm). We're running the boiler on secondary power one hour at a time to conserve generator fuel, just in case we're in this for the long haul, but we can always switch over to the propane fireplaces, if need be.
Cheers,
Paul
But you can improve your football team's chances with a big high-school. That's the whole reason they don't split up high-schools here. Of course smaller schools would let more kids play and fewer just watch, and you'd have more nearby teams to play as well. This has long been a pet peeve of mine.
Of course you also get better depth and breadth on advanced/gifted classes and special ed as well, plus more electives. Those all become "wants" not "needs" when time get harder I guess.