Actually, the net effect on consumers of wind is to _lower_ prices for them, as, when wind blows, the marginal price is much lower and applies to all the power generated. The savings to consumers from lower prices when wind blows are already larger than the gross amount of the subsidy given to wind in countries like Denmark, Germany or Spain (and of course, even larger than the net subsidy which is the feed-in tariff minus the market price). So focusing only on the tariff while ignoring the simultaneous effect on market prices is silly.

Ironically, this means that wind will always require a regulated tariff as, the more wind you put in the system, the lower market prices will be (when wind reaches 50-100% of system needs as is already happening in Denmark or Spain, prices come down to almost zero) and wind can never be profitable under "pure" market conditions. So you need wind farms to keep on getting a steady revenue in order to be built; the good thing is that the tariff reuired can be quite low (in the same range as market prices are today) and never needs to be increased.

Any product that for about one third or more of its production you have to pay people to get rid of and have to collect a government subsidy doesn't lower the prices for the consumer. 100%? I'm not talking about Spain or Denmark; I am talking about Texas & Arizona.

Maybe when the wind is blowing just right Denmark gets 100% of its power from wind; however, for 2007 is was considerably less. East & West Denmark wind power generation was 28%; a far cry from 100%.

http://www.energinet.dk/en/menu/Environment/Environmental+key+figures+fo...

Wind farms make a lot of people feel good on The Oil Drum but if you are going to throw taxpayer dollars around how about first building the proper grid to use wind power generated electricity.

Arizona doesn't actually have a commercial wind farm. There are some proposed. And there are individual ranchers with windmills for electricity or irrigation pumps.

http://www.windpoweringamerica.gov/images/windmaps/az_50m_800.jpg

Lots of opportunity for the surplus wind in low demand in Denmark.

http://www.investindk.com/visNyhed.asp?artikelID=20525