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AC is a luxury that should be banned outright - maybe except in all-glass office buildings.
AC is a luxury that should be banned outright - maybe except in all-glass office buildings.
You obviously don't live in a desert climate.
While there are building techniques that can achieve some measure of passive climate control in true deserts (much of Southwestern US, Mexico), no passive system can adequately cope with 100F+ heat. Then there's the problem of cooling inefficient pre-existing housing stock. Even if the law mandates strawbale, cobb & earthship construction going forward, can we replace tens of $Trillions worth of perfectly good structures overnight (and tear-down historic buildings as well)? I don't think so.
Do we dare to question how smart it is/was to locate gigantic cities and sprawling suburbs containing millions of people in them in the middle of deserts? Especially when people living there can't conceive of doing so without deeply cooled artificial environments and pools in every yard?
People lived in the deserts long, long before AC, just not in huge numbers.
Perhaps its time to get out of the kitchen if you can't take the heat. And the heat is going to be increasing considerably.
"can we replace tens of $Trillions worth of perfectly good structures overnight (and tear-down historic buildings as well)? I don't think so."
Agreed. That's why I mentioned retrofits. But even that is going to be a hefty bill.
There are cheaper ways to do it--spray on insulation--but it leaves a surface that people describe as like "living inside a tennis ball"--not everybody's cup o' tea. But then perhaps a tennis ball is better than an oven, a freezer, or ... a coffin?
Dohboi: living inside of a tennis ball? Never heard that one. I live in an extremely cold place and insulated my last addition with spray foam between the joists and rafters. The results were astounding. I would never insulate any other way again. R35-40 walls and floors and R60+ roofs are really amazing and comfortable and utterly silent. An unexpected bonus is that spray foam between two sheets of cladding makes for an extremely rigid massively strong panel structure.
As I recall, the comment was about a spray on insulation that becomes itself the new inner wall surface of the building. I think the "tennis ball" part was partly inspired because it was a small geodesic structure. I'll see if I can track down the source. Thanks for all the comments, everyone.
Might want to keep an eye on those timbers that have foam sprayed on them: my engineer tells me it causes them to rot. One house he inspected at rotted every timber with foam on it by the time it was 5 years old! And that was in Fairbanks AK, which is a very dry environment (and cold! -18 here right now...going to be very hard to get those 'net zero' buildings here). I suppose you could keep the moisture out with proper vapor barrier, but it is still taking a chance. Of course there is a place here that is made of *all* foam (between Fairbanks and Anchorage), but that turned out to be a big mistake because they could never use it due to the outgassing of formaldahyde--even after 20 years it is still a problem.
Here in N. Nevada, we have record low humidities. Last year I think it was measured at 4%.
In these dry areas AC is pretty much extravagant, because the lowly evaporative cooler (swamp cooler) works so well.
Ours will drop the temperature as much as 25 degrees below ambient (that's with wood-straw pads, not artificial which work less well.)
I'm guessing the swamp cooler uses 1/3 the energy of AC, but am not sure.
The disadvantages are they do use water, need new pads every so often, and must be drained in winter.
During summer, it turns on very early in the morning via a simple timer, and keeps the house quite cool until mid-afternoon.
On really hot nasty days we do supplement it with small window AC units, and also use them when the humidity rises too much.
An of course we open windows in the cooler evenings to get that cold night air into the house.
We've made thermal curtains for our windows, and use these summer and mostly winter.
We really should make some shutters for our West facing windows, as it seems that is the most heat-introducing area.
Outside shutters keep the heat from getting into the glass.
My kid had a large sliding patio door facing west with no trees or shade in his little condo. I calculated that his heat gain in the afternoon was about the same as having a 1500 W electric heater on in the house. We put up a bamboo type shade on the outside of his window and it greatly helped.
A friend has a stall in a large windowed building and sells antiques. He says the AC goes all day during summer, and suggested to the managers that they install a ceiling exhaust fan(s) to get rid of that tremendous heat at night, and get that cool air inside.
They don't want to spend the money to put in such a system, but instead are willing to pay those huge summer power bills.
Being handy, he offered to put a system in, but still they don't want to outlay the money....
Now perhaps he should approach them again and say, "listen, I'll put the system in, and pay for it upfront, if you will give me half of the savings over the next (undetermined) amount of time." He could probably make a handy profit, and help our collective energy use.
IMHO, the solutions are building underground and bermed, planting deciduous on south walls, painting roofs white, and using nighttime cooling.
And of course liberal use of swamp coolers if your area is suited for it.
Swamp cooler are a great assist to existing AC systems.
They'll allow using AC as an assist, instead of vice-versa.
Great replys here, thanks, I learned a bunch.
A BTU saved is a BTU earned.
These are the sort of projects that should have the stimulus money thrown at them. Imagine a large south facing window being fitted with a horizontal sun shade with a few hundred Watts of PV mounted on top being used to power a ceiling fan indoors.
Using composting or other forms of dry toilets can save enough water to use swamp coolers, and the night time breeze can be used to make ice for cooling during peak times.
In the eastern USA high ozone on hot summer days can be deadly to asthmatics like me. I had a very close near death experience on one of those days back in the 1990s. Just a few years ago thousands of vulnerable people died in France do to lack of A/C. It could be reasonably estimated that 100 times as many were sickened enough to be life threatening.
Houses in climates that need A/C generally use less energy overall than houses in colder climates. So I guess you would have us ban heating as well. What about banning refrigerators while you're at it. They consume as much energy as A/C.
I am new to posting comments but have greatly enjoyed reading the Oil Drum for quite some time. I live in Tucson and often hear the comment that large cities should not be built in hot deserts. But as Paul alludes to, from a heating/cooling perspective it is not clear why it would be better to build a large city in Minneapolis, Chicago or Edmonton. I'd be interested in links to studies that quantitatively analyze the average total energy of heating/cooling as a function of latitude. But in any case, perhaps the more pertinent issue with Tucson, Phoenix and Las Vegas is how we use our limited water resources.
I forgot where I saw the actual numbers on this. I remember I found them by searching such things as "energy consumption typical house" and looking at utility websites.
For design purposes see "Cooling Degree Days" and "Heating Degree Days" as "maps".
http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/documentlibrary/hcs/hcs.html#51overview
NOAA keeps changing their website, but you can find this somewhere on the National Climate Date Center NCDC website.
Water indeed is a major limiting factor in the West and Southwest generally. (Though I'm glad to hear that CA has recently got some relief from their drought. No. China, on the other hand, seems to be in fairly dire straits.)
And water will become ever more scarce as GW really kicks in. And remember that in an oil depleted world, if you can't grow crops in your region from rainfall, it will become more and more difficult to truck all the food you need in from wetter regions.
You can get into a really warm sleeping bag and otherwise dress for the cold. But to escape the heat, there are only so many layers you can take off before you can't go any further ;-}
But of course, just as super insulation and geothermal can help in the north, similar techniques can protect from the heat. But most structures built in the last fifty years in the south were built on the assumption that AC would be forever available.
Correction. Refrigerators do not consume as much electricity as A/C.