There are some other big pieces as well. Steve from Virginia has been doing some research on Federal Reserve minutes. He finds that back as far as 2003, they were concerned with the ramp up in food and energy prices. When they did start ramping up target short term interest rates in 2004, it was out of concern for the rise in oil/food costs. These higher interest rates fed through the economy, and may have been a major destabilizing force when the economy needed to keep growing rapidly to keep the huge amount of debt repayments going without default. We haven't had a chance to get this together into a post yet.
Another piece is that per capita vehicle miles traveled started dropping in 2006, according to this Brookings Institution study.
This is about the same time that housing prices started to drop.
An analysis by Moody's at the time said that the price drops were greatest in the distant suburbs. This is a link to a story about the report. Does anyone have a direct link to the report?
We seem to be having graphics problems right now. Can everyone see the graphs?
We noticed a decrease in highway traffic in my part of Southern California. I thought that this was largely due due to a decrease in construction jobs. There had been many undocumented workers and others traveling 30 or more miles to work sites.
During my youth I had the opportunity to help build a viaduct for Route 66 to pass under the Rock Island Line at $1 per hour plus overtime. We has quite a long commute. Fortunately the foreman ran a car pool. Today I often see up to 100 cars parked at sites of intensive high value Southern California agriculture - workers picking strawberries etc.
I think it would be interesting to try charting vehicle miles against energy % of GDP. I think I saw something along those lines, but not sure when or where. Fuel price, even inflation adjusted, may not represent a good measure for behavior change. I suspect that the real drivers of reduced miles may a) reduced discretionary income (because more going to energy), and b) reduced demand (which can also be caused by the inflationary effects of higher energy costs relative to income). It would also be interesting to see whether different industrial regions (across countries/economies and within) pull back on travel at similar or different levels of energy costs.
I think TOD should begin maintaining an archive of raw data, like excel or cdf files of various parameters versus time. A seperate portion of the website dedicated to data would provide a really good resource for future discussions. Some TOD posters are good a data mining particular fields; having one place where all this information is stored would really improve the site.
Anecdotal evidence isn't of much use when you can check the updates on Traffic Volume Trends released monthly (around the 20th) by the FHWA. Here is my chart of US VMT by sector:
Note that the downturn is primarily in the rural sector, urban areas continued growing until last year.
First of all, I think it's interesting that a lot of background disciplines are starting to put an energy factor into the economic calculus in the period leading up to the current crisis. Since so much of the analytic background noise is finance- oriented, the role that oil prices have played over the past few years has been pretty much swept under the rug.
I see that James Hamilton identified the 2008 leap in oil prices as a flow of funds phenomenon - and I think the flow of funds out of oil and oil- derivatives caused the price to tank. This leads to the obvious question:
What is the role of structured finance in all this and how does it intersect with energy prices besides enabling commodity price runups then collapses?
The next question is what is the relationship between energy prices and interest rates? Oil prices and interest rates have a long history together:
This is Fed data (Fed charts) with 1984 constant dollar oil prices superimposed on historical Fed Funds Target rate.
Recessions are shaded. First of all, the relationship between funds rate increases and recessions is clear. Increases in the funds rate preceded recessions in 1958, 1960. 1970, 1991, 2001 (concurrent with rising energy prices), and 2008.
Oil prices triggered 1973 recession (post- Yom Kippur War energy embargo), the 1980- and 81-83 'Double Dip' recession after the removal of the Shah of Iran and the Iran-Iraq war. Energy prices contributed to the 'Dot Com' recession then fell back. Another sharp rise in fuel prices began around 2003 during the Fed's dramatic easing of short- term rates.
This last period also coincided with the remarkable expansion of structured finance, particularly in its support of asset prices (housing, bonds and stocks). Clearly the expansion of that financing scheme has contributed mightily to the severity of our current recession; a kind of sidebar would be the failure in 1998 of the hedge fund Long Term Capital Management whose 'managed liquidation' by the Fed and other New York banks was accompanied by claims similar to those being made today of 'imminent collapse of the entire financial system'. LTCM was a forerunner of current structured finance operators such as PIMCO.
Variations on the theme of energy price- flow of funds- and interest rate dynamics appear to be a trigger for recessions, even if the linkage between causes and effects is not absolutetly predictable. There seems to be sensitivity at the intersection of these dynamics (which would make the modeling fiendishly difficult). But ... one thing seems to be emerging here is that flow- of- funds dynamic may becoming to be just as much a factor in determining the availability of useful fuel as is geology or politics.
This paper develops an efficiency-wage model where input prices affect the equilibrium rate of unemployment. We show that a simple framework based on only two prices (the real price of oil and the real rate of interest) is able to explain the main post-war movements in the rate of U.S. joblessness. The equations do well in forecasting unemployment many years out-of-sample, and provide evidence that the oil-price spike associated with Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait appears to be a component of the “mystery” recession which followed.
An analysis by Moody's at the time said that the price drops were greatest in the distant suburbs. This is a link to a story about the report. Does anyone have a direct link to the report?
There are some other big pieces as well. Steve from Virginia has been doing some research on Federal Reserve minutes. He finds that back as far as 2003, they were concerned with the ramp up in food and energy prices. When they did start ramping up target short term interest rates in 2004, it was out of concern for the rise in oil/food costs. These higher interest rates fed through the economy, and may have been a major destabilizing force when the economy needed to keep growing rapidly to keep the huge amount of debt repayments going without default. We haven't had a chance to get this together into a post yet.
Another piece is that per capita vehicle miles traveled started dropping in 2006, according to this Brookings Institution study.
This is about the same time that housing prices started to drop.
An analysis by Moody's at the time said that the price drops were greatest in the distant suburbs. This is a link to a story about the report. Does anyone have a direct link to the report?
We seem to be having graphics problems right now. Can everyone see the graphs?
We noticed a decrease in highway traffic in my part of Southern California. I thought that this was largely due due to a decrease in construction jobs. There had been many undocumented workers and others traveling 30 or more miles to work sites.
During my youth I had the opportunity to help build a viaduct for Route 66 to pass under the Rock Island Line at $1 per hour plus overtime. We has quite a long commute. Fortunately the foreman ran a car pool. Today I often see up to 100 cars parked at sites of intensive high value Southern California agriculture - workers picking strawberries etc.
I think it would be interesting to try charting vehicle miles against energy % of GDP. I think I saw something along those lines, but not sure when or where. Fuel price, even inflation adjusted, may not represent a good measure for behavior change. I suspect that the real drivers of reduced miles may a) reduced discretionary income (because more going to energy), and b) reduced demand (which can also be caused by the inflationary effects of higher energy costs relative to income). It would also be interesting to see whether different industrial regions (across countries/economies and within) pull back on travel at similar or different levels of energy costs.
Brian
I think TOD should begin maintaining an archive of raw data, like excel or cdf files of various parameters versus time. A seperate portion of the website dedicated to data would provide a really good resource for future discussions. Some TOD posters are good a data mining particular fields; having one place where all this information is stored would really improve the site.
Anecdotal evidence isn't of much use when you can check the updates on Traffic Volume Trends released monthly (around the 20th) by the FHWA. Here is my chart of US VMT by sector:
Note that the downturn is primarily in the rural sector, urban areas continued growing until last year.
First of all, I think it's interesting that a lot of background disciplines are starting to put an energy factor into the economic calculus in the period leading up to the current crisis. Since so much of the analytic background noise is finance- oriented, the role that oil prices have played over the past few years has been pretty much swept under the rug.
I see that James Hamilton identified the 2008 leap in oil prices as a flow of funds phenomenon - and I think the flow of funds out of oil and oil- derivatives caused the price to tank. This leads to the obvious question:
What is the role of structured finance in all this and how does it intersect with energy prices besides enabling commodity price runups then collapses?
The next question is what is the relationship between energy prices and interest rates? Oil prices and interest rates have a long history together:
This is Fed data (Fed charts) with 1984 constant dollar oil prices superimposed on historical Fed Funds Target rate.
Recessions are shaded. First of all, the relationship between funds rate increases and recessions is clear. Increases in the funds rate preceded recessions in 1958, 1960. 1970, 1991, 2001 (concurrent with rising energy prices), and 2008.
Oil prices triggered 1973 recession (post- Yom Kippur War energy embargo), the 1980- and 81-83 'Double Dip' recession after the removal of the Shah of Iran and the Iran-Iraq war. Energy prices contributed to the 'Dot Com' recession then fell back. Another sharp rise in fuel prices began around 2003 during the Fed's dramatic easing of short- term rates.
This last period also coincided with the remarkable expansion of structured finance, particularly in its support of asset prices (housing, bonds and stocks). Clearly the expansion of that financing scheme has contributed mightily to the severity of our current recession; a kind of sidebar would be the failure in 1998 of the hedge fund Long Term Capital Management whose 'managed liquidation' by the Fed and other New York banks was accompanied by claims similar to those being made today of 'imminent collapse of the entire financial system'. LTCM was a forerunner of current structured finance operators such as PIMCO.
Variations on the theme of energy price- flow of funds- and interest rate dynamics appear to be a trigger for recessions, even if the linkage between causes and effects is not absolutetly predictable. There seems to be sensitivity at the intersection of these dynamics (which would make the modeling fiendishly difficult). But ... one thing seems to be emerging here is that flow- of- funds dynamic may becoming to be just as much a factor in determining the availability of useful fuel as is geology or politics.
More to come ...
Steve, have you read Dr. Andrew Oswald's work showing jobless rates are predicted by oil prices and interest rates?
Unemployment Equilibria and Input Prices: Theory and Evidence from the United States
http://wrap.warwick.ac.uk/336/1/WRAP_Oswald_cho.pdf
CEOs for Cities report: “Driven to the brink” May 2008
http://blog.smartgrowthamerica.org/?p=188