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Quinn imagines a quaint fantasy world that never existed and never will. Real hunter-gatherer societies were engaged in constant tribal warefare that killed as much as 50% of all men. Women had no choice but to be continually raped and plop out children as fast as humanly possible. Average lifespan was some 20-30 years.
Other tribes were part of the outgroup, they were more often than not considered more like animals than fellow humans.
um, where do get those figures soylent? Is that what you were taught in school because it smells of john wayne to me.
AKbound, try reading Steve Pinkers book, "The Blank Slate." That summarizes the evidence and references the original sources on the violence of hunter gatherers.
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I also recommend The Blank Slate highly.
Also check out Steven Pinker's lecture over on youtube, 'A Brief History of Violence'. I'm afraid it's true; we were horrible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ramBFRt1Uzk
We're still horrible. And we're still wonderful.
And we have the opportunity to develop filters that reveal both truths.
"We were horrible" - sometimes, just like most other critters.
Morality, ethics and peace seem to be luxuries we can afford Only when we are fat and happy - regardless of the time period we live.
"Other tribes were part of the outgroup, they were more often than not considered more like animals than fellow humans."
Well, there it finally is. I think that this was alluded to in the post, but the bone was not directly pointed at it. I think that we must become humble animals again. One of the many myriad of life forms transiting this Earth.
"Real hunter-gatherer societies were engaged in constant tribal warefare that killed as much as 50% of all men. Women had no choice but to be continually raped and plop out children as fast as humanly possible. Average lifespan was some 20-30 years."
Well, resources have always been scarce at one time or another. Warfare seems like an eco-centric way to take population pressure off resources. Acquisition of women occurred to re-populate when conditions improved (boom and bust cycle.
As I have commented before, I think it can be argued that it was the need to protect women that helped trigger the jump from a hunter gatherer to a sedentary, agrarian existence. This is when the walled cities began in Mesopotamia. It has been all downhill from there.
Real hunter gatherers today--I am thinking for example of !Kung of the Kalahari--most certainly do NOT behave in the way you have just described, and I do not believe those in the past did either.
Your criticism seems an example of the "Taker" narrative: slander of sustainable peoples and all who are Other.
Sustainable people themselves do not do this.
The !Kung eke out a hard life in a land that nobody else wants.
It sounds like they make the most out of it, but even a simple synopsis of how they live hints that it is a much harsher life than you would be comfortable with.