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That's not at all obvious. Consider what it means to have and spend a pension fund or savings. Or to go into the hospital. That's all paid for by ongoing industrial output, because that's all the money spent is, a claim on future production.
Look at the bills in your state legislature right now. We're at limits; all sorts of environmental restrictions are being waived as "too expensive". And as far as a model is concerned, increased pollution could easily cause industrial and population drop-off; a round or two of SimCity will make that point clear.
cfm in Gray, ME
Hmmm -- not so sure.
The thing is when you "retired" you become a tax on the working society. A certain part of the net energy gain has to be spent on sustaining that populace -- health care products and services are the most obvious. The cost of raising a child from 0-17 is about $100K in the US (if you take out the housing cost). The life expectancy of people managed reaching retirement age is about "age+15". If the government is giving out 12K/year for Social Security -- that alone is $180K -- not counting other retirement vehicles and medical liabilities. People might argue that they paid for it during their working years -- but looking at our current accounting of debt and obligations, there is a huge mismatch somewhere, both past and present.
Young people starting a family sure cost resource. However, creating a child becomes a drag on resource because of the world we built it -- not because of "creating a child". Once human learn to live within the mean provided by nature, human will be okie. The birth of a child will be similar to a birth of a whale or a bird -- no real net of cost of anything.
I would suggest you read Sharon Astyk's site. Great post about this thing. She has great thoughts on the subject.