From page 60 of the report:

Reasons for Change: The credit.......encourages overproduction of oil, it is detrimental to long-term energy security....

Whoever wrote that proposal is nuts. They are proposing that US long term security would be enhanced by cutting domestic US oil production. So their proposal is to improve national security by RAISING the amount of oil the US imports!!!

The report is written by the 'Department of the Treasury'. Is there a specific group/area within the Department that put this proposal together?

I heard today that in order for the credit card Bill to get passed (making rules more stringent for credit card companies), they had to add a rider allowing guns to be carried in national parks. (I kid you not).

My interest in resource depletion and ecological overshoot has forced me to become aware/awake at how we are 'governed'. It is beyond my ken.

My interest in resource depletion and ecological overshoot has forced me to become aware/awake at how we are 'governed'. It is beyond my ken.

You know it isn't Nate. You know it is all of a piece.

cfm in Gray, ME

For those who wanted to pass guns in schools and parks -- I can't wait for a day where they pass a law that allowed conceal gun law in the hall of Congress and the White House. I think people demand and need for this law and who knows, it might save the country from hoodlums -- wink wink wink.

The bill allows people who have legal permits to carry to carry their concealed handgun in parks the same as they carry everywhere else. They don't cause any problems anywhere else, so why would they cause problems in the parks?

People get mugged, raped and murdered in parks just like anywhere else so the need for people to be able to protect themselves and their families is just as great there.

And there are large animals in many parks like bears that can cause serious injury or death if they invade a campground or attack park goers while hiking, etc... Is there something wrong with people who have a legal permit to carry from being able to protect themselves and their families from these potential threats while in the parks?

People get mugged, raped and murdered in parks just like anywhere else so the need for people to be able to protect themselves and their families is just as great there.

You know I'm 56 years old and have been all over the world including being welcomed in the favelas of Rio de Janeiro. The only time I was ever mugged was in New York and if I had had a gun they would have gotten that as well. I never knew what hit me I was walking at night carrying an umbrella in the rain and someone knocked me out probably with a brass knuckle without me ever seeing the mugger. So much for guns offering any protection. The only gun I own is a spear gun and I try to point it mostly at tasty fish.

FMmagyar there are a certain number of scumbags every where.At least three or four people have been murdered on the Appalachian Trail not too far from where I live.Sorry about your experience in New York, but if you care to look at the evidence, you will find that every day of the year there are numerous instances of armed citizens saving themselves from robbery,rape,and murder,most often without firing a shot.The records show that concealed carry laws contribute to a safer rather than a more dangerous society.

Those guys who mugged you knew 1 that the odds of your being armed were close to zero and 2 that you were the typical not very alert "ain't going to happen to me" victim when you let them get close (enough to strike w/o warning )without crossing the street,turning to face them or running.

You don't get out in the wild much do you? While I am nervous going to a shopping mall, I am not too worried in the National Parks and Forests in the east except near trailheads and roads. I have ecountered many bears, boars, etc in the woods all of which have run off as soon as becoming aware that a human was about. The real reason guns have not been allowed in the Parks in the past (they are allowed in the National Forests during hunting season) is that it is illegal to hunt in the National Parks. Now, in order to enforce the 'no hunting' regulations, they will actually have to catch the person shooting a game animal. I expect sightings of deer and bear in the Smokies will become rarer with the passage of this law.

Does the Amazon Rain Forest, The Everglades, The Pantanal or Coral reefs count as being out in the wild? And I don't mean the eco tourism hotels either.

Of those places, only the Everglades is a US National Park and they STILL do not allow guns despite the passage of that law. I have no experience with alligators but I do know that poaching is a big problem in the Smokies. This is true even though they do occasionally hire local hunters to track and kill problem bears.

I heard today that in order for the credit card Bill to get passed (making rules more stringent for credit card companies), they had to add a rider allowing guns to be carried in national parks. (I kid you not).

Well what'd ya xpect? That they'd instead allow disgruntled customer's to carry their guns into the offices of the CEOs of the credit card companies?

Hmmm, I think we should suggest the credit card company CEOs visit our national parks, detail, they must prominently display their company logos.

For all -- O&G tax rules are far from my realm but at first blush I doubt those changes highlighted in the report will change much in the future for the energy companies. Sure, some enhanced recovery projects will be shelved if they were already close to marginal value. But that will give a little boost in prices to the rest of us. And the other provision will have an impact on net income to some extent. But in general the public oils don’t pay a lot of taxes directly. The bulk of the income is taxed as it’s distributed to their shareholders as dividends or capital gains on the stock sales.

Yes…the oil patch is an easy target. But that’s old news to us. Just part of the price for doing business. The only big revenue generated I see is the report above is the excise tax. If the public is too foolish to not see that it would be a direct tax on them then they deserve what they get for supporting it. If ever crude oil seller has to pay the feds another $10/bbl for each they sell then it will be easy for all of us to bump the price up by the same amount. No competition pressure to not do so. The good news is that would raise the cost of all oil/NG products and thus might reduce consumption. The bad news is doing so might delay recovery from the current recession and add to inflation big time.

The one comment that still bothers me is that the industry doesn’t pay enough taxes. The public statements always seem the ignore the big tax we pay on the front end that no one calls a tax: 1/6 (the royalty payment) of every dollar earned from fed lease goes directly to the gov’t right off the top…no deductions…no hold backs. How much revenue has the public receive from just the OCS leases (not counting all the other onshore mineral royalties)? Between 1950 - 2000 the feds have received (based on $60/bbl oil and $3.50/mcf the cumulative amount has been $162 billion. That’s directly from the gov’t website. That number doesn’t included the 10’s of billion of $’s paid in lease bonuses. And yes…many other govt’s have received bigger royalties from operators. That’s one of the reasons much of the activity in the oil patch is over seas these days. Those resources were developed much slower in part because of higher royalty costs to the companies. In retrospect, it might have served the nation better had the gov’t been slower letting the OCS be developed. Our reserve base would be more intact today. OTOH, all that domestic energy did help fuel our economic growth to the #1 spot on the globe (at least until recently.

Don’t worry about the oil patch. It has survived all these years. The new rules might mean higher cost for the public and greater unemployment for our workers but ExxonMobil et al will keep marching forward towards that inevitable cliff or at least down that unending slope.

I agree; higher prices that are coming soon enough anyway (already over $60/bbl today) will keep the oil companies humming in the future. I don't believe they should have the tax breaks they've acquired through campaign contributions and lobbying, nor do I believe we should try to deplete our resources at a faster rate.

Will and all -- again remember these changes in tax code will have little effect on the companies (ExxonMobil et al) most folks envision when we say “oil companies”. The public oil companies, like most corporations in America, pay little taxes themselves. What income they don't reserve for future operations (which are not taxed) they send to the shareholders via dividends. The shareholders pay taxes on the income. So stop fantasizing about the feds putting the screws to XOM et al. Can’t happen: they don’t have much NET income to tax in the first place. The folks who will get financially slaughtered are the small (typically family owned) companies and private investors. Taking away depletion allowance and other incentives won’t take one $ out of XOM treasury. But it will destroy the investor base of the small operators who deliver 20% of our domestic production from our stripper wells. In the end it will be a major benefit to the major oils and big public independent companies. It would basically kill much of their competition. From a personal standpoint, that would be fine by me. I consult for the big guys. Putting the little companies out of business just increases our market share and delivers less oil to the market place and thus helps lift our revenue.

Of course many won’t understand/believe what I just said. That’s Ok since most of my fellow workers wouldn’t like me exposing this little nasty secret anyway. Another little secret: many companies, especially service companies, have been quietly moving corporate headquarters overseas (Swiss. has been very popular) and thus avoid all US tax laws. It costs us some employment and lots of local taxes but what the heck…business is business.

Roc-
I both understand and believe you - this will hurt the little guys (and there are alot of them) and decrease production, so ceteris paribus it helps the companies like XOM, CHK, etc.

Nate --In an odd way I can almost see a silver lining to the plan. I'm not sure to what degree but the net effect might be to damage the system in such a way as to finally get the public thinking about the realities of the situation. I'm sure the conversation will be very garbled and filled with hefty bias from all sides. But who knows what message might eventually get through.

But let’s be honest: we can rightfully pat our collective selves on the back for the valued conversations we have here at TOD. But the painful truth is that 99.9% of our society isn’t listening to us. Maybe a continued corrupt plan might cause such a public fist fight that eventually some of the truth will filter out to the rest of the folks. If that doesn’t work then I suppose all we can do is wait for the times when the country gets fully behind “exporting freedom” to more oil exporting nations. At least at that point the public can get a good measure of our dependence upon oil by the body count.

I would agree with you. I wrote a post about either the same or very similar legislation. The ones who were/are upset about the legislation are the Independent Petroleum Association of America which represents the little producer. The American Petroleum Institute, which seems to be dominated more by the bigger producers, has been much less concerned about the issue. For example, I am sure there as not been a conference call on this issue.

It does take the smile off my face Gail. I've just started a conversation with an investor about funding an enhanced oil recovery project (1.2 billion BO residual still there) I've been sitting on for quit a while. He's taken a contrarian position and thinks oil is the place to put $400 - $500 million right now. Pocket change for him...he's made billions in the futures market. If the feds change the rules and take his tax breaks away I can probably stick the project back in the file cabinate. But don't feel to sorry for me. I'll pull it back out in 4 or 5 years when the SHTF. Just in tme for my retirement party.

Rockman,

I realize that shareholders pay income tax; Of course, there are large shareholders, such as company directors which are affected by this. XOM in the first quarter of 2008 alone purchased back 110 million shares of its common stock for the treasury at a gross cost of $9.5 billion, boosting the net income per share. During the second quarter of 2008, they purchased back 98 million shares.

like most corporations in America, pay little taxes themselves.

You wouldn't believe that listening to them;

"In 2008, ExxonMobil's worldwide tax expenses amounted to over $120 billion."
http://www.exxonmobil.com/corporate/energy_issues_taxes.aspx

I agree with you Will. I'm sure they want folks to be impressed and sympathetic with that "tax" of $120 billion. But that's playing the same game others do when the offer the huge revenue numbers XOM has. Folks can't relate to such absolute big numebers. The reality is they XOM falls right in the middle of the pile with the rest of them on a percentage basis.