Native Americans in the USA are overweight, have high infant mortality rates, die young, drink get drunk more often, and commit mass crimes because they recieve massive amounts of welfare.
No race can possibly overcome the effects (Which are all negative) of socialism/wealth redistribution/sharing. Indeed no animal can overcome free food, it always leads to starvation in every species.
Mexico doesn't have reservations for their Indians, so they have a little less sloth there.
Indian Reservations are an expirement in socialism, and like all such trials, the result is always horrific.
Indian Reservations are an expirement in socialism, and like all such trials, the result is always horrific.
Dunno, Norway doesn't seem to be all that horrible.
As for Indian reservations, the Brazilian model seems to work as long as cattle ranchers, loggers and gold miners aren't allowed to kill them indiscriminately and steal their natural resources.
I wonder how many socialism bashers have actually studied the history of of socialism and have a good grasp of it's pros and cons. It is amazing to see someone support unrestrained free enterprise after the abuses recently wittnessed on Wall Street. It is pretty depressing that we, as a nation, cannot have an adult conversation about how to manage our country without these kneejerk, hardline positions dominating the discussion.
It is pretty depressing that we, as a nation, cannot have an adult conversation about how to manage our country without these kneejerk, hardline positions dominating the discussion.
Unfortunately those with an interest in propagating the meme, "that socialism is the mother of all evils", have been quite successful. Especially since it is anathema to their ability to exert control over resources that should be part of the commons. Sad, but not surprising.
Whenever I hear USAmericans denigrating 'socialism', and then offering examples that don't remotely resemble the real-world cases of actually-existing socialism, I can't help laughing. As you say, the meme has been very successfully suckered into the US population by its self-perpetuating ruling gic-class ['gangsters-in-charge'], to the point where everyone uses the word, and apart from a small percentage of serious due-diligence-done thinkers, no-one has the remotest idea what it really means. A bit like 'communism' -- in the popular-American usage --I suppose.
Here in Britain we've had an extremely mild experiment with dilute socialism -- the real thing -- since WW2, and despite massive hostility and a continuous bullshit blizzard of lying propaganda against it from our gics and their servants in media and 'democratic' politics, the bulk of the common people here, who have benefitted mightily from it, and paid for it out of their own taxes, won't part with any of the great strongholds of our version -- particularly the National Health Service -- not at any price, no matter what tosh the privileged minorities try to spin to us.
In the US, as all the world knows, you could have afforded a socialised medicine system at a minute fraction of the cost that commercialised corporate 'medicine' has cost you, and everyone would have been covered, instead of the current 40 million or so USAmericans with no effective cover at all, and many more who are bankrupted by one serious illness, even when they've been paying the corporate health insurance protection racket money all their lives.
Even our lame, ballsless version of socialism is better than that. And the real thing, if we were ever to insist on the real democratic choice, would be even better.
I paid my tax/national-insurance dues for the health service for decades, though virtually never needing it when younger. Now, retired, and with the sort of income which average USAmericans would regard as near-Third-World penury, I do need the service from time to time. Can you imagine the comfort of knowing that it's always there, always -- in my experience -- pretty good, and always free at point of need. The US has a lot of waking up to do in such matters. And the fat days have now gone for ever.
Thanks Jason for this excellent piece. Linked on to other audiences. What would we do without TOD!
It would be a campfire faux pas to just come right out and call that a white trash sort of view, so I slyly insinuate that he lives in a house with wheels ie a trailer. Are you not in the U.S.? I would think a native speaker would immediately stifle a laugh after seeing that one liner.
“Spoken like a man with a garage full of empty beer cans who dreams of having enough returnables to get a set of mag wheels for the house.”
“I would think a native speaker would immediately stifle a laugh after seeing that one liner.”
Hey, I laughed, not so much at the attempt by the writer of the line to ridicule the great pathetic, uneducated, working class that is now the butt of all jokes (he lives in a trailer! Hee, hee, why wasn’t he and his redneck pathetic family living in a half million dollar home in the suburbs the way real American successes live!), but because it revealed such great accidental reverse ridicule of the elitist Pollyanna types who will change the world with sermons given “ during the Summer Arts and Music Festival at the Benbow Lake State Recreation Area.” (does anyone other than me wonder how long upmarket “preserves” for the well rested and “superior” few will last when their dream of “TSHTF” actually occurs? We had one in central Kentucky called Otter Creek Park that died a fast death when the city of Louisville realized that the beer swilling rednecks who had been subsidizing it out of their tax dollars could no longer do so when they were laid off from places like Ford Motor Co., so it looks like the well rested intellectuals will have to find another patsy to pay for their “green playground”)
So while posters in reply to the article say “The 800-lb gorilla that you don't mention is overpopulation. Maybe you would lose your audience if you were to introduce that downer.But other than that, I liked it..”, and the writer of the article himself says “ and the Growth in human population has been sharply rising for several decades.”, there seems to be no shortage of what Charlie Chaplin once hilariously referred to as “the kinder, ah…the kinder!”, as the happy chortle of so many children pervade the article ““These days, our kids dash home from school eager to get started on planting, or raising seedlings, or canning tomatoes, or drying pears. They hop on their bicycles and ride through the neighborhood, giving away extra lettuce, tomatoes and berries from our garden.” Glory day, it sounds like a Mormon playground!
I myself have no children, (from my parent’s four children there have so far been produced two children, which is why I have a free pass on the carbon and consumption issue…I could not possibly burn in a lifetime what the combination of the children I never produced, (and the children they never produced, and the children the unproduced grandchildren never produced, on into INFINITY) would have consumed…
And yet we stand judged by people who have comfy houses for the kinder, and operate “small farms”:
“Now some people look at my family and Mary’s family and think, “That is fine for them. They have made a nice lifestyle choice. My choice is to keep on doing tomorrow what I did yesterday.”Well, that is not going to cut it. While I like my lifestyle choice I want to make another key point.”
First let me make a key point: Who the hell gave you the right to tell anyone what is and is not going to “cut it”? In exchange, will you give the childless poor the right to tell you and your green friends and then their clatter of shiny well bred kinder what is and is not going to “cut it”? Is that an exchange you will make willingly? If so, I beg that you keep in mind the fate of the educated elite who have fallen prey to the masses of disenfranchised poor from the French Revolution to the Maoist “everybody should produce what they eat” movements, the whole “ send them to the farms” mentality… It ain’t been pretty…
But the author defends…
“A few, or perhaps many, of you might be thinking: “This guy is taking joy in the loss of the American Way of Life and the good jobs that hard working people have held for many years. Is he a heartless jerk?” Well, I don’t think so.”
Nor do I. I think the author has good intentions…and we all know where the road paved with those has often led…, but of course, “Plenty of job opportunities should exist in order for us to pay back that loan Mother Nature approved”.
Yes they should, and I would gladly take up bicycle vending or citizen farming, especially if I could confront the glorious problem of, “Underemployment could mean more free time. What are you going do with it?”
Of course I can answer that question easily. I speak for myself here, if underemployed deprived of health insurance and needed medication, I am going to die, unless said “underemployment” can provide the medication to keep my blood pressure down, which stays up and continues to rise to astronomical levels without it (I am a 129 pound male at 5 foot 5 inches…just thought I would mention it before the folks who now believe that obesity is the only illness in America chime in…my condition, like so many conditions in the U.S. is inherited, suffered also by my father, uncles, an aunt and other assorted descendents on my father’s side, only one factor in my avoiding the path of procreation).
But all of the above are mere quibbles to the happy yeoman gardener with his herd of kinder and earth mother wife tilling the soil on quarter million dollar an acre land on the edge of the happy suburbs…(one wonder what is used to haul around the collection of antique farm implements once they are found, and whether they all rode one bicycle to the “Summer Arts and Music Festival at the Benbow Lake State Recreation Area.”)
Ah, it brings back fond memories of the first and last peak oil meeting I attended in person some 3 years ago, in which a collection of aging boomers all agreed that “people have got to stop consuming oil” and then went to the parking lot and drove away in a glorious collection of Japanese and German sports sedans and SUV’s while I drew sad frowns limping away in my ancient 1982 Diesel 240D Mercedes with a quarter million miles on it (still runs, my uncle has it now).
I am the kind of guy my rural friends love to hate, a bit too much the “Frasier” type…I like wine and craft shows and museums and literary events, and am a believer in the “green” and “sustainable” idea…and having no kids, I have nothing to speak to about with either my down to earth country friends nor my elitist green ones, who all have the pretty shiny offspring and all preach their brand of “family values”, that great unifier of Americans whether your taste is beer or wine, granola and Kashi cereal or KFC and ribs, Bach (Johann Sebastian, not Barbara) or Faith Hill (with her adorable Anglo Saxon face and beautiful permanently pregnant tummy, a Madonna image for the trailer park masses) or Barack with his adorable princesses, the image of the progressive and green universal nation to come, all play to the various fantasy utopias for “the “kinder, ahhh, the kinder”.
I who can be a bit of an elitist snob myself sometimes….but my respect for the down to earth real people of America who have wheels on their houses increases more each and every day.
And SacredCowTipper, never worry about one of your snide pissy elitist jokes getting over my head…oops, have I committed a "campfire faux pas"? Stifle a laugh, it's all in good fun! :-)
I myself have no children, (from my parent’s four children there have so far been produced two children, which is why I have a free pass on the carbon and consumption issue…I could not possibly burn in a lifetime what the combination of the children I never produced, (and the children they never produced, and the children the unproduced grandchildren never produced, on into INFINITY) would have consumed…
Perhaps you are my long lost, ever unknown sibling! My mother used to go shopping and come back with all sorts of brick-a-brac.
Me: Ma, why'd you buy that?
Ma: It was on sale!
Me: No, I mean, why?
Ma: It was on sale! I saved money.
Me: But.... you would never have... oh, never mind.
You two are sort of negative images of each other. Me? I'm only having one, so I can burn carbon like hell, too! Yay!
Or not. Do keep in mind it's the total in the atmosphere, and even at your lowest possible consumption, there are a couple-a-few billion out there using far less than you. That is, you are still at deficit.
Hardcore rant, there, Roger! I'm a bit relieved at least, that you seem to be aware of your own part in this pissy class-warfare game that has kicked-off Jason's post. High Plains really bit into it with the Limbaugh soundbite on Socialism, and then SCT took the bait.. and off we go!
I don't like the Kunstler-esque tirades against the poor and working class americans, as you don't.. but you fell right into it when you're tilting at those Wine-reception stereotypes among us who are trying to look at consumption and make a better way to work it out. Is it possible to leave the door open for the Middle and Uppermiddle class to start working on consumption and lifestyle? It won't be pretty, and class habits and tones of voice are going to be obstacles all the way along.. but taking the first steps on a thousand mile journey will still show you people 'who are in the wrong place', right?
As I say now and then.. we're all soaking in it. If it were mud, then anyone who is trying to scrape some of that mud off themselves gets slammed both for 'trying to make everyone else look muddy and cheap', and at the same time, they get knocked down 'for still having mud on them' ..
At this point, I have to try to remember.. it's not where you are, it's where you're headed, and where your head is..
It is obvious you really have no idea what this crowd is like in Humboldt County. There are plenty of crass put-downs we could come up with about them, but not the ones you attempted.
Could be interesting to get into the nuances of medical care and my concerns about it because I think I detect a good point in there. I do have plenty of subtleties of thought about all of this but you're style doesn't put me in the right mood.
It's true, the world is full of stereotypes, from the ones about the folks with wheels on their houses to the ones about the limousine liberals, and I was happy to use a few of them for the sake of satire. Caricature involves a good bit of exaggeration.
On the health care issue, if you want to see (or need to see) a good bit of mobility in the American workforce to staff the green revolution, just provide portable/affordable healthcare, and you will see a class of indentured servents who are bound to where they are by health care coverage begin to break the chains...the movement of talent and release of talent would be astounding...
Providing an animal, even a human animal, with free food will make it a helpless dependent on the zookeeper in time. It works even better with drugs like alcohol and tobacco and better again with opiates, amphetamines etc if you really want to own someone.
Indian reservations, like the Aboriginal "communities" we have here in Australia are simply the zoos constructed for the captured animals so that farmers could settle on the land and grow introduced species. It was the wholesale appropriation of land by white farmers that necessiated the removal of the indigenous humans. Paying them massive amounts of welfare actually keeps them politically docile and impotent, even while the conditions on the ground are apalling. Removing all this welfare would have them harrassing the invaders, and demanding land rights and reparations - all reasonable demands IMO - but objectionable to those who have inherited the booty from their ancestors evil deeds. Welfare and reservations is the price the invader must pay.
Raj Patel in his book Stuffed and Starved demonstrates how western agriculture has not only enslaved its own indigenous peoples this way, but has now exported this model to the third world. After WWII, massive amounts of subsidised US grown food was distributed to third world countries, destroying markets for local farmers who could not compete with free food.
The result is now globalised dependence of the third world on the charity of the rich. Despite the public pronouncements and hand wringing by politicians, this is exactly what the rich set out to achieve. Even China is now getting in on the act. The underlying reasons of course are the same as they have always been: subdue the local population so they can be marginalised enough to steal their natural resources.
The cost of the welfare is actually quite small compared to the payoff of the booty. What sickens me most is those damn concerts that pop-up every few years, organised by rich ageing rockers like Bob Geldof and Bonpo with slogans like "Make Poverty History" raising more money from the glitz covered teenagers to extend and prolong third world misery even longer.
What you describe is the conditions and events of my GGrandmother and also my GGGrandmother. Both Full Blood Cherokees.
My GGGrandmother was born in 1838..the year of the Trail of Tears, of which all transited Kentucky except for the one thru Memphis. She either was left her in my area or was abadoned in some fashion or adopted because many of those with the same cherokee name live not far away in this area. Like 15 or 20 miles away.
Married to my GGGrandfather when she was 14, and birthed 9 children. Then the first son married another Cherokee and was my GGrandmother and married to my Ggrandfather.
I have been 'following' that Trail of Tears and have so thru Hopkinsville,Ky where two of the chiefs perished and statues of them are erected.
Chief White Path and Chief Fly Smith.
So the taking of their lands and a quarter of them dying from this is part of my heritage. My journeys of following that Trail are not complete but will be before I pass on. It is the respect I owe them. It is the blood in my veins that I owe them for.
The Eastern Band in N. Carolina seems to be doing ok. The Oklahoma Band is given enough welfare to IMO partially destroy their own heritage. They owned land in Ky,Georgia,N.Carolina and Tennessee. They farmed and tried to live peacefully with the white 'frontier people' but Jackson defied the Supreme Court ruling and the forced deadly marches to death and foreign lands was accomplished.
I doubt this history is taught in our schools or elsewhere. Too much shame to admit it.
My next trip is to New Echota,Ga. and then to Tahlequah,Ok in further search of my roots. Research is difficult since the Cherokees consider it bad medicine to speak of the dead, so I am told. Even names were changed to prevent the inclusion in the Census back then, of 1850. They were still hiding.
You of course meant to say 'An experiment in Broken Treaties, Remapped reservations (whenever valuable minerals showed up on the old map), and Several loudly trumpeted attempts at genocide'.. right?
There is also the case for the biological degradation that we all get to suffer here from a culture of addiction.. Sugar, White Flour and Whiskey.. The three legs of Lenin's stool, no doubt!
Have you ever worked or lived for long among a American native community? "Natives have high infant mortality because they receive welfare"...welfare? You might want to learn more about the situation before you start being too opinionated about this. Federally recognized Indian Tribes recieve money from the Federal Government because that was what the government agreed to when it forced the tribes to sign over their lands. Its the "rent" if you will, on land that you and I like to pretend we own.
Native communities suffer from a high rate of addiction, in part because they had not developed a tolerance for alcohol (like whites who had been drinking and drugging for 1000s of years), and in part because thier culture and thier identity has pretty much been obliterated. Crime, addiction, infant mortality, poor health, domestic violence, are all a result of the criminal displacement and consequent attempted genocide of our continent's indigenous people. Its too complex to discuss here, but I urge you to learn more. Take a class in American Indian studies.
Your racism is surprising to see on a site that is otherwise pretty high quality.
in part because they had not developed a tolerance for alcohol
And this is genetic tolerance, not a behaviorally-based intolerance.
(Edited to reduce specificity due to lack of links.)
My first wife (also Korean, passed in '97) couldn't drink more than about a 6 ounce glass of beer before falling asleep. Many Koreans turn florid well before being technically drunk. It's all part of the genetics. (That particular gene is considered protective, since it is hard for those people to drink enough to get drunk. Apparently, First Nations don't have this gene, so they can drink all they want... and apparently did. See Li, U of Indiana.)
We whiteys couldn't have picked a better drug to addict them to.
It's not racist to say that a population that doesn't need to work for a living will suffer those problems. The exact same thing happens in multi-generational welfare receiving sub-populations of any race. Reserves are simply the optimal ground for all the badness because they generally exist in areas that have no inherent economic promise whatsoever (at least in Canada), so even many people who wouldn't ordinarily succumb to temptation do.
Yes, we destroyed their culture. It's done. Get over it. It's not coming back. Continuing to house them on reservations with soul-destroying lack of economic opportunity is the greater evil. You could throw 5 million dollars each at their residents and a generation from now all the problems would be back in full, if they didn't use the money to leave and join mainstream society. Stop treating them like children that need to be taken care of their whole lives.
Native Americans in the USA are overweight, have high infant mortality rates, die young, drink get drunk more often, and commit mass crimes because they recieve massive amounts of welfare.
No race can possibly overcome the effects (Which are all negative) of socialism/wealth redistribution/sharing. Indeed no animal can overcome free food, it always leads to starvation in every species.
Mexico doesn't have reservations for their Indians, so they have a little less sloth there.
Indian Reservations are an expirement in socialism, and like all such trials, the result is always horrific.
Dunno, Norway doesn't seem to be all that horrible.
As for Indian reservations, the Brazilian model seems to work as long as cattle ranchers, loggers and gold miners aren't allowed to kill them indiscriminately and steal their natural resources.
Hi FMagyar,
I wonder how many socialism bashers have actually studied the history of of socialism and have a good grasp of it's pros and cons. It is amazing to see someone support unrestrained free enterprise after the abuses recently wittnessed on Wall Street. It is pretty depressing that we, as a nation, cannot have an adult conversation about how to manage our country without these kneejerk, hardline positions dominating the discussion.
Unfortunately those with an interest in propagating the meme, "that socialism is the mother of all evils", have been quite successful. Especially since it is anathema to their ability to exert control over resources that should be part of the commons. Sad, but not surprising.
Whenever I hear USAmericans denigrating 'socialism', and then offering examples that don't remotely resemble the real-world cases of actually-existing socialism, I can't help laughing. As you say, the meme has been very successfully suckered into the US population by its self-perpetuating ruling gic-class ['gangsters-in-charge'], to the point where everyone uses the word, and apart from a small percentage of serious due-diligence-done thinkers, no-one has the remotest idea what it really means. A bit like 'communism' -- in the popular-American usage --I suppose.
Here in Britain we've had an extremely mild experiment with dilute socialism -- the real thing -- since WW2, and despite massive hostility and a continuous bullshit blizzard of lying propaganda against it from our gics and their servants in media and 'democratic' politics, the bulk of the common people here, who have benefitted mightily from it, and paid for it out of their own taxes, won't part with any of the great strongholds of our version -- particularly the National Health Service -- not at any price, no matter what tosh the privileged minorities try to spin to us.
In the US, as all the world knows, you could have afforded a socialised medicine system at a minute fraction of the cost that commercialised corporate 'medicine' has cost you, and everyone would have been covered, instead of the current 40 million or so USAmericans with no effective cover at all, and many more who are bankrupted by one serious illness, even when they've been paying the corporate health insurance protection racket money all their lives.
Even our lame, ballsless version of socialism is better than that. And the real thing, if we were ever to insist on the real democratic choice, would be even better.
I paid my tax/national-insurance dues for the health service for decades, though virtually never needing it when younger. Now, retired, and with the sort of income which average USAmericans would regard as near-Third-World penury, I do need the service from time to time. Can you imagine the comfort of knowing that it's always there, always -- in my experience -- pretty good, and always free at point of need. The US has a lot of waking up to do in such matters. And the fat days have now gone for ever.
Thanks Jason for this excellent piece. Linked on to other audiences. What would we do without TOD!
Few, if any. And if they did, it was with the mindset of ACC denialists: searching for fault, not reality.
It's a serious problem that with all the education and information we have, so many people still don't know a damned thing.
Must be genetic.
Cheers
Spoken like a man with a garage full of empty beer cans who dreams of having enough returnables to get a set of mag wheels for the house.
Sorry, but that went over my head.
It would be a campfire faux pas to just come right out and call that a white trash sort of view, so I slyly insinuate that he lives in a house with wheels ie a trailer. Are you not in the U.S.? I would think a native speaker would immediately stifle a laugh after seeing that one liner.
“Spoken like a man with a garage full of empty beer cans who dreams of having enough returnables to get a set of mag wheels for the house.”
“I would think a native speaker would immediately stifle a laugh after seeing that one liner.”
Hey, I laughed, not so much at the attempt by the writer of the line to ridicule the great pathetic, uneducated, working class that is now the butt of all jokes (he lives in a trailer! Hee, hee, why wasn’t he and his redneck pathetic family living in a half million dollar home in the suburbs the way real American successes live!), but because it revealed such great accidental reverse ridicule of the elitist Pollyanna types who will change the world with sermons given “ during the Summer Arts and Music Festival at the Benbow Lake State Recreation Area.” (does anyone other than me wonder how long upmarket “preserves” for the well rested and “superior” few will last when their dream of “TSHTF” actually occurs? We had one in central Kentucky called Otter Creek Park that died a fast death when the city of Louisville realized that the beer swilling rednecks who had been subsidizing it out of their tax dollars could no longer do so when they were laid off from places like Ford Motor Co., so it looks like the well rested intellectuals will have to find another patsy to pay for their “green playground”)
So while posters in reply to the article say “The 800-lb gorilla that you don't mention is overpopulation. Maybe you would lose your audience if you were to introduce that downer.But other than that, I liked it..”, and the writer of the article himself says “ and the Growth in human population has been sharply rising for several decades.”, there seems to be no shortage of what Charlie Chaplin once hilariously referred to as “the kinder, ah…the kinder!”, as the happy chortle of so many children pervade the article ““These days, our kids dash home from school eager to get started on planting, or raising seedlings, or canning tomatoes, or drying pears. They hop on their bicycles and ride through the neighborhood, giving away extra lettuce, tomatoes and berries from our garden.” Glory day, it sounds like a Mormon playground!
I myself have no children, (from my parent’s four children there have so far been produced two children, which is why I have a free pass on the carbon and consumption issue…I could not possibly burn in a lifetime what the combination of the children I never produced, (and the children they never produced, and the children the unproduced grandchildren never produced, on into INFINITY) would have consumed…
And yet we stand judged by people who have comfy houses for the kinder, and operate “small farms”:
“Now some people look at my family and Mary’s family and think, “That is fine for them. They have made a nice lifestyle choice. My choice is to keep on doing tomorrow what I did yesterday.”Well, that is not going to cut it. While I like my lifestyle choice I want to make another key point.”
First let me make a key point: Who the hell gave you the right to tell anyone what is and is not going to “cut it”? In exchange, will you give the childless poor the right to tell you and your green friends and then their clatter of shiny well bred kinder what is and is not going to “cut it”? Is that an exchange you will make willingly? If so, I beg that you keep in mind the fate of the educated elite who have fallen prey to the masses of disenfranchised poor from the French Revolution to the Maoist “everybody should produce what they eat” movements, the whole “ send them to the farms” mentality… It ain’t been pretty…
But the author defends…
“A few, or perhaps many, of you might be thinking: “This guy is taking joy in the loss of the American Way of Life and the good jobs that hard working people have held for many years. Is he a heartless jerk?” Well, I don’t think so.”
Nor do I. I think the author has good intentions…and we all know where the road paved with those has often led…, but of course, “Plenty of job opportunities should exist in order for us to pay back that loan Mother Nature approved”.
Yes they should, and I would gladly take up bicycle vending or citizen farming, especially if I could confront the glorious problem of, “Underemployment could mean more free time. What are you going do with it?”
Of course I can answer that question easily. I speak for myself here, if underemployed deprived of health insurance and needed medication, I am going to die, unless said “underemployment” can provide the medication to keep my blood pressure down, which stays up and continues to rise to astronomical levels without it (I am a 129 pound male at 5 foot 5 inches…just thought I would mention it before the folks who now believe that obesity is the only illness in America chime in…my condition, like so many conditions in the U.S. is inherited, suffered also by my father, uncles, an aunt and other assorted descendents on my father’s side, only one factor in my avoiding the path of procreation).
But all of the above are mere quibbles to the happy yeoman gardener with his herd of kinder and earth mother wife tilling the soil on quarter million dollar an acre land on the edge of the happy suburbs…(one wonder what is used to haul around the collection of antique farm implements once they are found, and whether they all rode one bicycle to the “Summer Arts and Music Festival at the Benbow Lake State Recreation Area.”)
Ah, it brings back fond memories of the first and last peak oil meeting I attended in person some 3 years ago, in which a collection of aging boomers all agreed that “people have got to stop consuming oil” and then went to the parking lot and drove away in a glorious collection of Japanese and German sports sedans and SUV’s while I drew sad frowns limping away in my ancient 1982 Diesel 240D Mercedes with a quarter million miles on it (still runs, my uncle has it now).
I am the kind of guy my rural friends love to hate, a bit too much the “Frasier” type…I like wine and craft shows and museums and literary events, and am a believer in the “green” and “sustainable” idea…and having no kids, I have nothing to speak to about with either my down to earth country friends nor my elitist green ones, who all have the pretty shiny offspring and all preach their brand of “family values”, that great unifier of Americans whether your taste is beer or wine, granola and Kashi cereal or KFC and ribs, Bach (Johann Sebastian, not Barbara) or Faith Hill (with her adorable Anglo Saxon face and beautiful permanently pregnant tummy, a Madonna image for the trailer park masses) or Barack with his adorable princesses, the image of the progressive and green universal nation to come, all play to the various fantasy utopias for “the “kinder, ahhh, the kinder”.
I who can be a bit of an elitist snob myself sometimes….but my respect for the down to earth real people of America who have wheels on their houses increases more each and every day.
And SacredCowTipper, never worry about one of your snide pissy elitist jokes getting over my head…oops, have I committed a "campfire faux pas"? Stifle a laugh, it's all in good fun! :-)
RC
Roger: Quit poking holes in the Matrix.
"Quit poking holes in the Matrix."
Thats a keeper! A bumper sticker.
Perhaps you are my long lost, ever unknown sibling! My mother used to go shopping and come back with all sorts of brick-a-brac.
Me: Ma, why'd you buy that?
Ma: It was on sale!
Me: No, I mean, why?
Ma: It was on sale! I saved money.
Me: But.... you would never have... oh, never mind.
You two are sort of negative images of each other. Me? I'm only having one, so I can burn carbon like hell, too! Yay!
Or not. Do keep in mind it's the total in the atmosphere, and even at your lowest possible consumption, there are a couple-a-few billion out there using far less than you. That is, you are still at deficit.
Cheers
Wow!
Hardcore rant, there, Roger! I'm a bit relieved at least, that you seem to be aware of your own part in this pissy class-warfare game that has kicked-off Jason's post. High Plains really bit into it with the Limbaugh soundbite on Socialism, and then SCT took the bait.. and off we go!
I don't like the Kunstler-esque tirades against the poor and working class americans, as you don't.. but you fell right into it when you're tilting at those Wine-reception stereotypes among us who are trying to look at consumption and make a better way to work it out. Is it possible to leave the door open for the Middle and Uppermiddle class to start working on consumption and lifestyle? It won't be pretty, and class habits and tones of voice are going to be obstacles all the way along.. but taking the first steps on a thousand mile journey will still show you people 'who are in the wrong place', right?
As I say now and then.. we're all soaking in it. If it were mud, then anyone who is trying to scrape some of that mud off themselves gets slammed both for 'trying to make everyone else look muddy and cheap', and at the same time, they get knocked down 'for still having mud on them' ..
At this point, I have to try to remember.. it's not where you are, it's where you're headed, and where your head is..
Peace,
Bob
It is obvious you really have no idea what this crowd is like in Humboldt County. There are plenty of crass put-downs we could come up with about them, but not the ones you attempted.
Could be interesting to get into the nuances of medical care and my concerns about it because I think I detect a good point in there. I do have plenty of subtleties of thought about all of this but you're style doesn't put me in the right mood.
It's true, the world is full of stereotypes, from the ones about the folks with wheels on their houses to the ones about the limousine liberals, and I was happy to use a few of them for the sake of satire. Caricature involves a good bit of exaggeration.
On the health care issue, if you want to see (or need to see) a good bit of mobility in the American workforce to staff the green revolution, just provide portable/affordable healthcare, and you will see a class of indentured servents who are bound to where they are by health care coverage begin to break the chains...the movement of talent and release of talent would be astounding...
RC
I completely agree. I have discussed this a couple of times on my radio programs and Sharon Astyk I see wrote something about it recently.
My apologies, I thought you were replying directly to me and saying that was my view.
Providing an animal, even a human animal, with free food will make it a helpless dependent on the zookeeper in time. It works even better with drugs like alcohol and tobacco and better again with opiates, amphetamines etc if you really want to own someone.
Indian reservations, like the Aboriginal "communities" we have here in Australia are simply the zoos constructed for the captured animals so that farmers could settle on the land and grow introduced species. It was the wholesale appropriation of land by white farmers that necessiated the removal of the indigenous humans. Paying them massive amounts of welfare actually keeps them politically docile and impotent, even while the conditions on the ground are apalling. Removing all this welfare would have them harrassing the invaders, and demanding land rights and reparations - all reasonable demands IMO - but objectionable to those who have inherited the booty from their ancestors evil deeds. Welfare and reservations is the price the invader must pay.
Raj Patel in his book Stuffed and Starved demonstrates how western agriculture has not only enslaved its own indigenous peoples this way, but has now exported this model to the third world. After WWII, massive amounts of subsidised US grown food was distributed to third world countries, destroying markets for local farmers who could not compete with free food.
The result is now globalised dependence of the third world on the charity of the rich. Despite the public pronouncements and hand wringing by politicians, this is exactly what the rich set out to achieve. Even China is now getting in on the act. The underlying reasons of course are the same as they have always been: subdue the local population so they can be marginalised enough to steal their natural resources.
The cost of the welfare is actually quite small compared to the payoff of the booty. What sickens me most is those damn concerts that pop-up every few years, organised by rich ageing rockers like Bob Geldof and Bonpo with slogans like "Make Poverty History" raising more money from the glitz covered teenagers to extend and prolong third world misery even longer.
Seems like the Aboriginials and Native Americans etc all did pretty well until their land and therefore their way of life were taken from them.
Not only that, but their system was rather *gasp* socialist.
Double-plus correct!
Termoil: You might be aware that their plans are to have you and everyone else on this blog as an eventual inmate of the zoo you described.
Termoil,
What you describe is the conditions and events of my GGrandmother and also my GGGrandmother. Both Full Blood Cherokees.
My GGGrandmother was born in 1838..the year of the Trail of Tears, of which all transited Kentucky except for the one thru Memphis. She either was left her in my area or was abadoned in some fashion or adopted because many of those with the same cherokee name live not far away in this area. Like 15 or 20 miles away.
Married to my GGGrandfather when she was 14, and birthed 9 children. Then the first son married another Cherokee and was my GGrandmother and married to my Ggrandfather.
I have been 'following' that Trail of Tears and have so thru Hopkinsville,Ky where two of the chiefs perished and statues of them are erected.
Chief White Path and Chief Fly Smith.
So the taking of their lands and a quarter of them dying from this is part of my heritage. My journeys of following that Trail are not complete but will be before I pass on. It is the respect I owe them. It is the blood in my veins that I owe them for.
The Eastern Band in N. Carolina seems to be doing ok. The Oklahoma Band is given enough welfare to IMO partially destroy their own heritage. They owned land in Ky,Georgia,N.Carolina and Tennessee. They farmed and tried to live peacefully with the white 'frontier people' but Jackson defied the Supreme Court ruling and the forced deadly marches to death and foreign lands was accomplished.
I doubt this history is taught in our schools or elsewhere. Too much shame to admit it.
My next trip is to New Echota,Ga. and then to Tahlequah,Ok in further search of my roots. Research is difficult since the Cherokees consider it bad medicine to speak of the dead, so I am told. Even names were changed to prevent the inclusion in the Census back then, of 1850. They were still hiding.
Airdale
You of course meant to say 'An experiment in Broken Treaties, Remapped reservations (whenever valuable minerals showed up on the old map), and Several loudly trumpeted attempts at genocide'.. right?
There is also the case for the biological degradation that we all get to suffer here from a culture of addiction.. Sugar, White Flour and Whiskey.. The three legs of Lenin's stool, no doubt!
Jokuhl,
Well put Sir!I wonder if high plains thinks it's the Indians fault they are on the rez.
Btw, in the vernacular it's "either side of a pig's "axx"
Thanks, Mac.
Hadn't ventured back to find the answer yet! Glad I got it basically right.. might be hope for me!
(might have been the chemical makeup of Lenin's stool, anyhow!)
Have you ever worked or lived for long among a American native community? "Natives have high infant mortality because they receive welfare"...welfare? You might want to learn more about the situation before you start being too opinionated about this. Federally recognized Indian Tribes recieve money from the Federal Government because that was what the government agreed to when it forced the tribes to sign over their lands. Its the "rent" if you will, on land that you and I like to pretend we own.
Native communities suffer from a high rate of addiction, in part because they had not developed a tolerance for alcohol (like whites who had been drinking and drugging for 1000s of years), and in part because thier culture and thier identity has pretty much been obliterated. Crime, addiction, infant mortality, poor health, domestic violence, are all a result of the criminal displacement and consequent attempted genocide of our continent's indigenous people. Its too complex to discuss here, but I urge you to learn more. Take a class in American Indian studies.
Your racism is surprising to see on a site that is otherwise pretty high quality.
And this is genetic tolerance, not a behaviorally-based intolerance.
(Edited to reduce specificity due to lack of links.)
My first wife (also Korean, passed in '97) couldn't drink more than about a 6 ounce glass of beer before falling asleep. Many Koreans turn florid well before being technically drunk. It's all part of the genetics. (That particular gene is considered protective, since it is hard for those people to drink enough to get drunk. Apparently, First Nations don't have this gene, so they can drink all they want... and apparently did. See Li, U of Indiana.)
We whiteys couldn't have picked a better drug to addict them to.
Cheers
It's not racist to say that a population that doesn't need to work for a living will suffer those problems. The exact same thing happens in multi-generational welfare receiving sub-populations of any race. Reserves are simply the optimal ground for all the badness because they generally exist in areas that have no inherent economic promise whatsoever (at least in Canada), so even many people who wouldn't ordinarily succumb to temptation do.
Yes, we destroyed their culture. It's done. Get over it. It's not coming back. Continuing to house them on reservations with soul-destroying lack of economic opportunity is the greater evil. You could throw 5 million dollars each at their residents and a generation from now all the problems would be back in full, if they didn't use the money to leave and join mainstream society. Stop treating them like children that need to be taken care of their whole lives.