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This is a rather disingenuous reply. The point of fracking is to create cracks in the formation. If you create cracks, then you may open a path to an aquifer as well as open the producing formation. That is why you use fracking, to crack the formation.
Thank god there is only a small chance that fracking will ruin a water supply, because that means it will never happen, right? Wait. It already happened...several times. And, thank god we have the technology to clean up those contaminated aquifers. Wait. We don't. Well, at least we have a huge surplus of fresh water supplies and foresee no future shortages. Wait. Wrong again. Aquifers are more precious than ever.
Whistling past the graveyard.
It seems that all signs point towards getting away from the hydrocarbon beast before it eats us all. Perhaps we should attempt to reduce use rather than look for more sources in increasingly destructive ways? No? Thought not. We will undoubtedly be happy to poison as many as necessary in order to make a few bucks.
Sad.
The problem is that there are significant downsides regardless of which option is taken. If one doesn't drill, you avoid the risk of damage to water systems, but you don't have the oil or gas either. In order to have the oil or gas, you generally need fracking.
Federal Regulation of hydraulic fracturing wouldn't stop it from occurring. It would change who does the regulation, or perhaps add another layer of regulation.
But ultimately we are not going to have the oil and gas, no matter what. What we are doing is guaranteeing a drop off the cliff when it does come, as well as despoiling the aquifers and much else that will be our sole resources at the end of the day.
We should do a lot more than just regulate fracking -- there needs to be a planned scale down of use of under ground resources, and a radical change in our way of life. And it doesn't even have to be that radical in the beginning because there is so much waste in our way of life.
WHT made the point a week or two ago that this shale gas stuff will go off a cliff at some point. I am more and more convinced that the bell energy production curve is not going to be symmetrical -- we will not have a nice smooth descent mirroring the ascent.
Existing, in place, fields should be allowed to continue production so long as there is no or little prospect of escalating damage to water and the surrounding areas. But rather then making massive investments to bring new stuff on line, those investments should be directed at taking us out of cars.
Won't happen, I know. Like Cherenkov says, sad. Junkies R us.
Edits: typos and last sentence.
Now I can't disagree with that. But we gotta find a realizable politica/economic/technological trajectory to get there. At this point in time even a seriously weakened climate bill will have a tough time. That is where the UNG comes in, it can alleviate the concerns about cost -at least for the first couple of decades. IMO the likelyhood that we will have affordable solar by then is quite high (at least 90%), so it is really about getting our society to begin the journey.
Where I differ from the majority of TOD readers, is that I think that energy won't be a major constraint longer term (say after 50 years), but we gotta get the world ,and especially its most recalcitrant part (the good ol USA) to agree to the first steps.
The underlying idea is that industry people know what they are doing, that the processes involved are harmless, the benefits exceed costs and the process can be repeated tens or hundreds of thousands of times without issue.
Burn me once, your fault. Burn me hundreds of times over the centuries, what does this mean?
- What is all this 'extra' gas to be used for? Do new regulations have bearing to any use?
- Regulations avoid the water issues.
- Regulators can't know what's underground:
When will this worn- out dynamic change? Currently, the industries are adversarial to their own longer- term interests as well as those of their customers. The proven consequence is always business failure! When will the energy business -and other businesses - stop burning themselves over and over?
Unless the dynamic changes, the outcomes - production booms, devastating busts, environmental suits and large damages, eventually decline and failure of the resource - will not change. In its haste to develop new 'product' and market it, regardless of consequences, the gas industry is setting itself up for another destructive bust ... with the contamination of Wyoming/Pennsylvania/Texas/Louisiana ground water resources as a byproduct.
Once contaminated, ground water resources cannot be reclaimed.
Gail's previous post examined production over the next decade:
Where would all this gas go? Would it fuel the transition to a more sustainable energy future? Would it be used to produce more nitrogen fertilizer, or plastics and polymers; would it generate load- balancing electricity and keep more people warm until houses can be reconfigured to conserve? No, this increase would be earmarked to fuel automobiles running in circles, to keep suburbia on life support, to keep intact for a few years more the rotting financial infrastructure and the officials, oligarchs and criminals that depend on it.
Another 'last chance' to do something right for a change. A resource that can be properly managed rather than wasted.
I know how this story ends. Same way as all the other times. Regulations, Federal and otherwise will be crafted, inspectors will be paid off and business as usual will prevail.
i am hearing from some oil and gas guys in the Haynesville area, that the wells are at best depleted by 75% within the first year, and the worst by 90% depletion in the first year.
high initial rate and steep decline. i don't believe there is enough data to make a reasonable estimate of ultimate recovery and the assumptions going into these 100's of tcf (decades of current consumption) estimates.
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5459
do your acquaintences have access to any pressure data on these haynesville candles ?
One day we are going to have to do without fossil fuels. Why not just bite the bullet and get off fossil fuels now before we damage any more of our environment by extraction and further burning of those fuels. I know this is not a pratical argument to make, but it is the RIGHT argument to make.
Acceptable Losses.....
The automobile, in the USA, causes many, many, deaths annually. These deaths are "acceptable", given the overall utility of the automobile. The Tobacco Industry is allowed acceptable losses in the interests of profits for the shareholders. Prior to 9-11, the Airline Industry had an actuarial equation of acceptable losses based upon a profitable level of aircraft maintenance. Following 9-11 maintenance was ramped up because what was once acceptable in terms of annual deaths from airline crashes, was no longer. Any airplane falling from the sky would be viewed as a terrorist event and would hurt severely the bottom line. Large trucks on our interstates kill or severely injure thousands of folks year in and year out and we subsidize this industry through our taxes and therefore support this carnage. Why? It works and benefits, again, shareholders. Oh, and don't forget the nuclear testing of the 1950's. Those of us who lived in "down winder country" were assured by our government that there was no risk. No one knows for sure how many died as a consequence from unusual and not so unusual cancers. We had a County Commissioner who took our government's reassurances so seriously he sprinkled a little uranium ore on his breakfast mush every morning and he wore a chunk of yellow cake (high grade uranium ore) around his neck as some wear a crucifix. He died of.......guess what: CANCER. I remember being told that milk was safe, even if the vegetation the cows were eating, and the cows themselves, had been exposed to high levels of radiation from testing fallout. Oh, and another, this is a good one, Agent Orange was supposed to be quite harmless to humans; it just killed vegetation. I could go on and on, but I'd guess you all get my point. If you don't, the bottom line in business is profit, profit, and profit. So, what's a little carcinogenic contamination of the farm's water well? You're going to die anyhow. Best from the Fremont