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The problem is that there are significant downsides regardless of which option is taken. If one doesn't drill, you avoid the risk of damage to water systems, but you don't have the oil or gas either. In order to have the oil or gas, you generally need fracking.
Federal Regulation of hydraulic fracturing wouldn't stop it from occurring. It would change who does the regulation, or perhaps add another layer of regulation.
But ultimately we are not going to have the oil and gas, no matter what. What we are doing is guaranteeing a drop off the cliff when it does come, as well as despoiling the aquifers and much else that will be our sole resources at the end of the day.
We should do a lot more than just regulate fracking -- there needs to be a planned scale down of use of under ground resources, and a radical change in our way of life. And it doesn't even have to be that radical in the beginning because there is so much waste in our way of life.
WHT made the point a week or two ago that this shale gas stuff will go off a cliff at some point. I am more and more convinced that the bell energy production curve is not going to be symmetrical -- we will not have a nice smooth descent mirroring the ascent.
Existing, in place, fields should be allowed to continue production so long as there is no or little prospect of escalating damage to water and the surrounding areas. But rather then making massive investments to bring new stuff on line, those investments should be directed at taking us out of cars.
Won't happen, I know. Like Cherenkov says, sad. Junkies R us.
Edits: typos and last sentence.
Now I can't disagree with that. But we gotta find a realizable politica/economic/technological trajectory to get there. At this point in time even a seriously weakened climate bill will have a tough time. That is where the UNG comes in, it can alleviate the concerns about cost -at least for the first couple of decades. IMO the likelyhood that we will have affordable solar by then is quite high (at least 90%), so it is really about getting our society to begin the journey.
Where I differ from the majority of TOD readers, is that I think that energy won't be a major constraint longer term (say after 50 years), but we gotta get the world ,and especially its most recalcitrant part (the good ol USA) to agree to the first steps.
The underlying idea is that industry people know what they are doing, that the processes involved are harmless, the benefits exceed costs and the process can be repeated tens or hundreds of thousands of times without issue.
Burn me once, your fault. Burn me hundreds of times over the centuries, what does this mean?
- What is all this 'extra' gas to be used for? Do new regulations have bearing to any use?
- Regulations avoid the water issues.
- Regulators can't know what's underground:
When will this worn- out dynamic change? Currently, the industries are adversarial to their own longer- term interests as well as those of their customers. The proven consequence is always business failure! When will the energy business -and other businesses - stop burning themselves over and over?
Unless the dynamic changes, the outcomes - production booms, devastating busts, environmental suits and large damages, eventually decline and failure of the resource - will not change. In its haste to develop new 'product' and market it, regardless of consequences, the gas industry is setting itself up for another destructive bust ... with the contamination of Wyoming/Pennsylvania/Texas/Louisiana ground water resources as a byproduct.
Once contaminated, ground water resources cannot be reclaimed.
Gail's previous post examined production over the next decade:
Where would all this gas go? Would it fuel the transition to a more sustainable energy future? Would it be used to produce more nitrogen fertilizer, or plastics and polymers; would it generate load- balancing electricity and keep more people warm until houses can be reconfigured to conserve? No, this increase would be earmarked to fuel automobiles running in circles, to keep suburbia on life support, to keep intact for a few years more the rotting financial infrastructure and the officials, oligarchs and criminals that depend on it.
Another 'last chance' to do something right for a change. A resource that can be properly managed rather than wasted.
I know how this story ends. Same way as all the other times. Regulations, Federal and otherwise will be crafted, inspectors will be paid off and business as usual will prevail.
i am hearing from some oil and gas guys in the Haynesville area, that the wells are at best depleted by 75% within the first year, and the worst by 90% depletion in the first year.
high initial rate and steep decline. i don't believe there is enough data to make a reasonable estimate of ultimate recovery and the assumptions going into these 100's of tcf (decades of current consumption) estimates.
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5459
do your acquaintences have access to any pressure data on these haynesville candles ?
One day we are going to have to do without fossil fuels. Why not just bite the bullet and get off fossil fuels now before we damage any more of our environment by extraction and further burning of those fuels. I know this is not a pratical argument to make, but it is the RIGHT argument to make.