It sounds to me that the objection you are raising is a political objection rather than an economic one. It sounds like you are saying, "there will be tremendous incentive to tamper with any such setup, amendments and exceptions would be added, and pretty soon we will be back to where we started." I think this is a potent objection -- this is essentially what moved the relative income equality the U. S. A. experienced in the 1950's and 1960's, to a much more unequal one today. Nevertheless, this is a political problem, not an economic problem, isn't it? Or am I missing something?
I regard it as a strategic objection rather than a political objection. Right sizing an economy is a very different objective than growing an economy. In a resource limited world it may be very desirable for people to work themselves out of a job. Making products that are long lived and repairable provides the same effective use value for a much smaller consumption of resources. The fact that such products require less manufacturing labor would be regarded as a good thing in ecologically rational world. It is very hard to achieve such a right sizing emphasis when we are economically preoccupied with current exchange income in dollars and with competitive accumulation of wealth. We need people who are exercising their smarts trying to figure out how we can produce a decent quality of life with a minimum consumption of resources rather that trying to reach whatever salary cap we have decided to allow.
Resource caps might be worthwhile even if we eliminate competitive accumulation as our primary economic modus operandi since, even if I am not trying to get ahead of the Jones, the long term stability of whatever wealth level we achieve is still an issue.
I cannot really give you many details about the day to day operations of CODELCO. I just gave them as an example of a state owned company that has been successful and profitable over a long period of time. CODELCO has a seven person board of directors which is appointed by the Chilean president and excess profits are appropriate by the state treasury. In 2007 Fitch Ratings gave them very high financial ratings, claiming that their long term outlook was very positive and that their production cash costs were among the lowest in the industry.
Hmmm . . . I see what you're getting at. You want something positive rather than just limits on the excesses.
You could of course require companies to recycle or take back their own products when the consumer is finished; this would solve the problem of getting companies to produce long-lived products. Or, free enterprise might solve the problem on its own if we see ads such as "Bill's TV sets -- last twice as long as Brand X," or something like that.
There is a more underlying problem, and that is the question of things with "high commodity potential" versus "low commodity potential." Jack Manno draws attention to this in his book Privileged Goods. No matter how environmentally-friendly our commodities are, our current economic system (even as reconfigured according to Daly) still rewards things with high commodity potential.
Examples of high commodity potential (HCP) goods are Barbie dolls, commercial fertilizers, mass-marketed drugs, and grid-dispersed electricity. Low commodity potential (LCP) goods are direct child-led interaction, knowledge of the soil, healthy lifestyle changes, and passive solar design. (Manno explains what makes a commodity HCP rather than LCP.) Yet the HCP goods may fulfill the actual need that we have just as well or better than the LCP good. But which do we hear about, and which is most easily available? Clearly, the HCP goods, just because they are easier to commoditize.
One way to approach this would be to have positive government intervention to support LCP goods. (I'm not sure how this would work, but in some cases it would be quite possible.) Another way would be just to limit income to a maximum, thus giving people free time to figure out how to improve their lives outside of the pursuit of money. Probably both strategies are needed.
The criteria which Manno cites for HCP goods are things like:
Ability to assign and protect property rights
Degree of mobility and transportability
Should be a product, not a system
High energy concentration
. . . . and so forth. Check out his book from your local library via interlibrary loan. He's pretty systematic about it.
I regard it as a strategic objection rather than a political objection. Right sizing an economy is a very different objective than growing an economy. In a resource limited world it may be very desirable for people to work themselves out of a job. Making products that are long lived and repairable provides the same effective use value for a much smaller consumption of resources. The fact that such products require less manufacturing labor would be regarded as a good thing in ecologically rational world. It is very hard to achieve such a right sizing emphasis when we are economically preoccupied with current exchange income in dollars and with competitive accumulation of wealth. We need people who are exercising their smarts trying to figure out how we can produce a decent quality of life with a minimum consumption of resources rather that trying to reach whatever salary cap we have decided to allow.
Resource caps might be worthwhile even if we eliminate competitive accumulation as our primary economic modus operandi since, even if I am not trying to get ahead of the Jones, the long term stability of whatever wealth level we achieve is still an issue.
I cannot really give you many details about the day to day operations of CODELCO. I just gave them as an example of a state owned company that has been successful and profitable over a long period of time. CODELCO has a seven person board of directors which is appointed by the Chilean president and excess profits are appropriate by the state treasury. In 2007 Fitch Ratings gave them very high financial ratings, claiming that their long term outlook was very positive and that their production cash costs were among the lowest in the industry.
Hmmm . . . I see what you're getting at. You want something positive rather than just limits on the excesses.
You could of course require companies to recycle or take back their own products when the consumer is finished; this would solve the problem of getting companies to produce long-lived products. Or, free enterprise might solve the problem on its own if we see ads such as "Bill's TV sets -- last twice as long as Brand X," or something like that.
There is a more underlying problem, and that is the question of things with "high commodity potential" versus "low commodity potential." Jack Manno draws attention to this in his book Privileged Goods. No matter how environmentally-friendly our commodities are, our current economic system (even as reconfigured according to Daly) still rewards things with high commodity potential.
Examples of high commodity potential (HCP) goods are Barbie dolls, commercial fertilizers, mass-marketed drugs, and grid-dispersed electricity. Low commodity potential (LCP) goods are direct child-led interaction, knowledge of the soil, healthy lifestyle changes, and passive solar design. (Manno explains what makes a commodity HCP rather than LCP.) Yet the HCP goods may fulfill the actual need that we have just as well or better than the LCP good. But which do we hear about, and which is most easily available? Clearly, the HCP goods, just because they are easier to commoditize.
One way to approach this would be to have positive government intervention to support LCP goods. (I'm not sure how this would work, but in some cases it would be quite possible.) Another way would be just to limit income to a maximum, thus giving people free time to figure out how to improve their lives outside of the pursuit of money. Probably both strategies are needed.
Thanks for your article.
Keith
Or the auk
cfm in Gray, ME
Exactly.
The criteria which Manno cites for HCP goods are things like:
Ability to assign and protect property rights
Degree of mobility and transportability
Should be a product, not a system
High energy concentration
. . . . and so forth. Check out his book from your local library via interlibrary loan. He's pretty systematic about it.
Interesting topic!