Around here there's a big push for a LEED certified "green hospital." But they want to build it on formerly-prime ag land, and included in the redevelopment was a high end subdivision (that is now having trouble being filled up with people). All this activity is taking place on the outskirts of city limits, with the city limits expanded to incorporate it, giving the development projects access to city sewer, water, street maintenance and police services at a time when budgets are being cut back and fees for services are going up.

Meanwhile, it turns out that because the hospital is new, it must comply with gargantuan though well intended building and ventilation standards that mean it will use MORE energy than the current hospital! And these same standards require automation of nearly everything so that windows can't be opened manually, for example. Without electricity the place will be useless it seems, and yet part of the reason for having a hospital here is that in case of disaster we are isolated. Well, couldn't a disaster take out power for an extended period? Yes. So how much back up power exists? Three days of diesel. Any plan to use renewable energy? No, too expensive.

Furthermore, all the existing doctors offices, which cluster around the current facility might need to be relocated to another set of yet to be built buildings since doctors here follow their patients in the hospital. But until then doctors are expected to drive back and forth, umpteen times per day.

In the discussions with the design team I brought up "boundary of analysis" and was basically told that they only assess within the project property itself.

So much for "green."

During the Transition Training weekend we did here in Rochester, NY back in March I met a man who has been doing solar installs and consulting for municipalities downstate NY. He was telling me how he went to a green energy conference in Boston last year and all the installers basically asked the LEED people to please take their website down, cease and desist, all in flowery installer language. The impression I get is LEED is pretty much a joke.

On your note about "boundary of analysis", Jason, it brings up for me the most profound dilemma about trying to really understand energy accounting. I started reading Vaclav Smil a little while ago, and admit I didn't fully comprehend most of it (very technical), but what I came away with is that there is really no accurate way to measure the conversion of energy from one form to another, given the difficulty of accounting for the utility, transportability, power, re-use potential and other characteristic factors of various forms.

The other issue is, of course, where to draw the boundary in any given analysis. According to the permaculture definition of a System Yield, it's the net energy stored, conserved, re-used AFTER the system has all its needs met, including the needs of the inhabitants, and all the resources used are replaced. The system boundary seems always to be expanding to include the whole globe...

As always, would like to hear your thoughts on these conundra.